Here are some pics of I took with my cell phone. Very nice weapon.
A detective I met tonight showed me it...:tu
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Here are some pics of I took with my cell phone. Very nice weapon.
A detective I met tonight showed me it...:tu
A person who knows how to shoot doesn't need a light.... :D
oh..but its a very good light...with a nifty laser sight :)
I have never been one for attachments, but I am very impressed by this one.
Of course, you could also say that a person who carries 60 plus rounds of ammo on his person doesn't even need to know how to shoot. I mean, odds are, something is going to hit the floor and sqeal like a pig.Quote:
Originally Posted by urleebird
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Originally Posted by shavethebadger
Screw shooting...I dont think I could even walk with 60 rounds of ammo lol. :D
It's been forever since I've dragged out
the Remington 541 .22 rifle and shot any.
me and my dad would shoot 5 shot groups
at 50 yards for hours. I'm fortunate enough
to be able to do this in my hard.
It's not quite the same since he passed away
a couple of years ago.
I really need to get out my 50 caliber flintlock
out. One of my neighbors asked once if I was
shooting a cannon...... :)
Terry
Cute gun. What do you think it will look like when it grows up?
Always use more than enough gun.
LG Roy
I'm not a firearms expert by any means but doesn't a larger caliber also mean more recoil, which would mess with the accuracy? With my small wrists, I was quite happy shooting my cousin's work-use 7,62 TT. Even with one-handed shooting I was getting good results at 50m.
Hmmm.... where to start where to start!!!
1. The light isnt for shooting, its for spotting hookers!
2. If someone has 60 rounds, the key is to stand very very still... if you move 1" to
the left or right, your toast! Hope you weren't walking the dog.
3. With a .50 cal, you dont have to be accurate! The big boom will make you
think your dead! And I imagin you might have a bad day just from the air
turbulance from that massive chunk of lead!
4. um... I dont think I have enough points to list by number... DOH
Firestart,
The accuracy of larger calibers can be
excellent and the recoil will not really
be a factor. Unless the shooter flinches
as he squeezes the trigger.... :)
A lot of factors involved though.
The rifle itself, the ammo, the scope
etc.
The groups we were shooting ( 5 shots )
for the most part could be covered with
a dime. Other times with say... an aspirin.
Now the 50 caliber mind you is a flintlock
rifle and muzzle loaders are a whole
different animal. I am by no means an
expert. The best that I could do at 50 yds
was to hold 5 shots in a 3 inch bulls eye.
Not too bad I suppose, but nothing to'really
write home about.
If I'm not mistaken a few others on this forum
shoot muzzle loaders and will probably make
fun of me.
Terry
wvbias,
I've never shot flintlock or muzzle loaders but I have seen them being used at various ranges, and I dont think 3in shot groups are that bad. I cant really remember if they were shooting 50yd targets or 100yd targets though.
Shooting shot groups at 50yds open sights that a dime can cover are good shot groups for sure.
Anyone ever done match shooting? I had a couple friends who did, and it sounded like a lot of fun.
I was talking more about pistols/revolvers. That's where the caliber affects the recoil more. As for your rifle-shooting, I wouldn't know how good it is but it sounds impressive. I've only shot a rifle once (.22), but I made it count: A porcupine in a tree, from about 40m, and it was dead before it hit the ground. And by once I mean once -- a single round. The friggin thing damaged the brake-lines on 2 cars parked on my stepdad's land.
Billy,
While the flintlock groups were shot with
open sights the .22 were shot with a scope.
Ilijah,
I fired a .22 pistol a few times on a couple of
times. Other than that, no experience with
pistols.
I do believe that I would have killed the porcupine
as well. For the first time shooting a rifle, not bad.
Enjoy your week end.
Terry
I didn't have a choice. My stepdad was killing all the porcupines that congregate on his land as at least one of them was eating the brake lines. However, due to a stroke he could only shoot one-handed. He killed one before but he had to put 4 bullets into it to kill it. I didn't want this one to suffer like that, so I made sure to make the shot count. Necessity is the best teacher lol.
Hehe... them pesky porcupines!!! Yeah, .22s are awsome varmit guns. I have a Marlin .17 right now, but it doesn't have open sites and I've never been all that comfortable with scopes. I shot a Desert Eagle .50 before.... I shot about 3 rounds before my wrist started to hurt... and then a woman walked in who worked at the shop and put all 7 rounds down range with a fairly decent group... I still feel like less of a man to this day. I was shown a very large barreled .50 cal revolver and I was told that the "HUGE" barrel made the pistol very controlable.Quote:
Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT
wbvias, I couldn't honestly say what a good group with a scope is... I only have one scoped rifle and I have a cheapy scope on it. Never did much shooting with a scope. I'm wanting to get a smaller caliber hunting rifle sometime in the next few years and then I will probably start learning more about it. I'm thinking like a .243 round... Anyone have any experince with it?
That was an old open-sight rifle, belonging to one of his neighbors. I've never shot with a scope so I wouldn't know either. Gun permits and such are difficult to obtain in Canada and I can't really afford to go hunting, so I never got too active with this hobby. Due to personal moral issues, I don't think I'll ever own a handgun, unless it's job-related (and that would entail me going into law enforcement). However, I wouldn't mind catching my own non-vegetarian dinner :D
I've been through quite a few handguns, I dont think I would feel morally disenclined to shoot an unauthorized persons in my house at night. Then again, I was raised in Texas... we feel pretty strongly about personal/private property. If you belong there, you already know about knocking :w
Catching dinner does sort of give you a sense of pride. A "I am all that is MAN!" type feeling! Just remember, Gut shot = bad = Your friends aren't going to help you clean it. :cry:
Recoil? Ha... I'll tell you guys what. If any of you post a video of you shooting 3 rounds from a 416 Rigby with less than 30 seconds between shots, I'll give you a free razor... a nice one.
It had better be a nice razor, because the proceeds from it would have to cover having your shoulder reattached! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by urleebird
I am of the same opinion about intruders, BUT... A reduced number of guns on the market reduces their availability to the criminal world. In my perfect world, there would be no armies and the cops would only use billy-clubs. For home defense, I know where every object that can be used as a weapon is located, like the kitchen knives, my display daggers, the throwing knives (only good as distractions) and the machettes are.
Gut-shots are bad for another reason. They make the poor animal suffer. I don't mind killing my dinner as long as:
a) I don't make it suffer needlessly
b) Every part of it gets used
Bill, what about 3 measured shots with the 7,62 TT with less than 30 seconds apart? :D
Well, next time im in india hunting elephants I'll see about breaking my collar bone for that razor :yQuote:
Originally Posted by urleebird
Firestart,
Yes, gut shots are bad for a lot of reasons. You always want to avoid it. And as far as availability to criminals. I can see both sides of this coin. I wrote a response in another thread about my brothers glock being stolen, which was actually recovered in an act of semi insanity. I grew up in a very very small town pop. 2000ish. I've never locked my doors, and always had loaded guns in various parts of my home. I do feel that I would have a lot of responisibly in someones death if my gun was stolen in used, but protection my household & family weighs harder in my mind. Sure, theres other weapons that could be used, but that brings to mind an old proverb, "Dont bring a knife to a Gun fight". But thats just me and and to each thier own :)
Actually guns aren't readily available in Canada, other than hunting rifles and noone would burglarize a house while carrying a hunting rifle lol. However, hand guns are being smuggled in from the US and used by local criminals. Fortunately it's mostly for them to be killing each other, but a few innocents did get caught in the cross-fire.
Come on, Ilija... give me a break. A reduced number of cars on the road will keep them from getting away, too.Quote:
BUT... A reduced number of guns on the market reduces their availability to the criminal world.
How 'bout a reduced number of criminals via the death penalty instead?
:p That's a baby round.Quote:
Bill, what about 3 measured shots with the 7,62 TT with less than 30 seconds apart?
I had the opportunity once to fire the 10-guage shotgun my buddy bought for duck hunting. But instead of 6-shot, he loaded it with a "punkin ball" cartridge. No problem, I thought... I'd shot boxes of "rifled-slugs" in smaller guage shotguns, so this would be 'duck soup', so to speak. Well.... :cen near knocked me on my arse and almost brought a tear to my eye, not to mention thoughts of a possible shoulder dislocation.
Turns out my "buddy" had a box of kiln loads... now there's one nasty recoil :eek:
Um...are you sure your last name isn't O'reilly? I dont exactly believe in the prison system either, but I think if the justice system worked better and judges wouldn't corrupt that the death penalty would be the ticket... how many convictions does it take before you realize this criminal cant be rehabilitated? And why do I have to pay 52% in tax's when they are going to spend it on things like, better prision evironments? (Yes, 52%) :cenQuote:
Originally Posted by urleebird
Haha, baby compared to what? Its a proven and reliable round! But there are of course more "Macho" rounds available :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by urleebird
Bill, if someone's willing to risk life or even 25 years in prison, getting the needle isn't a large psychological jump. My answer to that is developing a better social infrastructure and more community policing.
I will grant you one point: Reducing the number of guns on the market won't reduce the number of violent crimes, significantly. But it will make it more difficult for the criminals to make the results of the violent crimes permanent. Drive by shootings are more popular than drive by stabbings.
The key to reducing crime is to create a society where fewer people will feel desperate enough to turn to violent crimes and its consequences. If even the poorest of the poor know they won't be freezing in the winter, starving at any time and will be receiving decent professional health-care, they won't be nearly as likely to risk their lives/freedom, unless they suffer from a mental disease.
With such drastic reductions in violent crimes, having a gun for home defense won't be nearly as necessary.
What for? It's time to hold the person responsible for the crime accountable, not everyone else around them, society, or a bad childhood. These people are predators, plain and simple. With or without guns, these asswipes will prey on weaker people. Guns even the playing field.Quote:
I do feel that I would have a lot of responisibly in someones death if my gun was stolen in used
I kinda like this phrase...
If guns kill people, I can blame misspelled words on my pencil.
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Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT
I agree, that death might not be a big jump from life in prison, but death is a lot cheaper for the nation as a whole as opposed to paying millions of dollars a year so that a criminal can live an easy life behind bars with cable tv, 3 hots and even recreational area's. I have two uncles that are institutionalized.... its not joke... people become institutionalized... One is sitting in a trailor right now with no electricity... I am counting the days until he does something to go back to jail. Death penalty would fix this, very large problem. It would also eliminate the possibility for violent criminals with no chance for rehabilitation from ever entering society again. Im not of the opinion of "Kill them all". But I do think its a serious option to be considered with a lot of criminals.
Also a side note on the creating a society with less crime... Crime is created when there is a lack of middle class. Lack of Middle class means an excess of lower class. This is created by a nations government. Having or not having guns wont affect this in anyway. But its better to be prepared for your environment, than to be prepared for what your envirnoment should be in my opinion.
-- Disclaimer!!!! -- I have plenty of political and moral views, but thats not to say I think you should believe what I believe, this is just my opinion... I try not to talk about these subjects because they tend to get people really fired up. So hopefully no one takes offense to my view. :D
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Originally Posted by urleebird
lol, I like that Bill.... No longer am I illiterate! It all my pencil!
That is not true... sorry.Quote:
But it will make it more difficult for the criminals to make the results of the violent crimes permanent.
I don't care about the deterrent argument. It keeps them from doing it again. People only do what they know they can get away with.Quote:
getting the needle isn't a large psychological jump.
Sorry, again. That's not the answer. The key is to make it known that no matter how bad you got it, you can't use a gun to get it. This society of yours will NEVER exist... unfortunately. I wish it too, but it ain't happenin' in anyone's lifetime.Quote:
The key to reducing crime is to create a society where fewer people will feel desperate enough to turn to violent crimes and its consequences.
Cute phrase, but it means nothing.Quote:
Drive by shootings are more popular than drive by stabbings
A REDUCTION ain't cutting it for me. I also disagree with your assessment of a drastic reduction in crime just because you give them a hand out. These people already get emergency care for free. Ever seen anyone turned away from a hospital?Quote:
With such drastic reductions in violent crimes, having a gun for home defense won't be nearly as necessary.
They don't want jobs... I'll repeat, they don't want jobs. They don't do it out of desperation, they do it because they are predators. I spent the last ten years in a jail taking care of these idiots, remember?
Ever talked to a murderer? I have had lengthy conversations with dozens of them. Conversations that lasted years while they went to court. I got to see first hand what criminals are all about. These are not nice people.
They don't care about you.
Until you understand that, you won't get the other part. I'm not ragging on you, Ilija. I know you mean well and you have a good heart. That's the problem... you don't see it for what it is.
Bill, I beg to differ on the death penalty as someone who served 25 years in prison for a single count of murder isn't likely to repeat his crime. However, our prison system concentrates too much on punishment and too little on rehabilitation. Prisons became schools for more educated and more violent criminals.
However, for that I blame the whole social structure. There's an uneven distribution of wealth and we outsource our labor too much. The richest of the rich live in an unprecedented state of opulence, while the poorest of the poor are at the same level as their counterparts in third world nations. A person flipping burgers or selling shoes in your average North American city (which includes Canada, as I'm not saying that we're perfect either) can't survive by working full-time. It takes about 20 hours of overtime at time and a half for mere survival in the projects. Therefore, we are negating the achievements of the labor movement. The employer can't legally force the employee to work 12-16 hour days but by giving wages that are too low for the actual costs of living, he forces the worker into virtual slavery by necessity. That's why quite a few young people coming from a poor background make an early choice to go to a life of crime instead of slavery.
Then the big businesses are shooting their collective selves in the foot for a quick buck. Yes, they get cheaper labor from workers in China and India and that drives the local unemployment up and wages down. Their local employees are willing to work more for less money. That also drives the prices down and makes the product more attractive to the consumer. That sounds good, right? Well, the local consumer will receive less money for his work, so he'll have less money to spend on the product, thus negating the benefits of the lower prices. With lower purchasing power of the consumer, the sales will also drop and the big businesses will have to re-think their strategies.
Western Europe is more protective of its labor force and its production and that's one of the main reasons why they have lower crime rates than we do in the Americas. People are less desperate, so they're less willing to risk their lives and freedom to survive.
Yes you do have free emergency care, but free regular care would prevent a good number of those emergencies. Canada isn't perfect either. Prices of medications (not covered by government health plans) are insanely high. An antibiotic therapy that I can buy for $5 in Europe costs about $50 in Canada and AFIK the cost is significantly higher in the States. I am talking about the same antibiotic, same strength, just an insanely higher profit margin.
The bottom line is that greed dominates our society. Our economy is based on it and so is everything that stems from it. That is what motivates big corporations shaft the honest worker legally and criminals illegaly. If you're a Christian, you know what our faith OFFICIALLY says about greed.
Wow boys you really know your stuff...when I was 14 i got my first .22 Rifle, a martini action BSA that I stripped, cleaned and loved...unfortunately it was my only weapon. Since then I have never owned anything more than a water pistol...lol, work,mortgage and starting up on my own in life came before recreation.
The current Govt. really got into power by capitalising on the feelings of people after a guy walked into a class room and shot a teacher and a class 0f children in a school in Dunblane, the average age of those kids was 5 years old, the shooter,Thomas Hamilton I believe was his name, then turned the gun on himself.
The Police were found to have failed etc along with others...basically its a good job he killed himself.
Alot of people say guns are bad, wrong, irresponsible dangerous people are, I enjoy guns and was in a club for years as our laws are far more rigid about ownership.
I mean what do you guys in the USA think of the fact that our regular police are only armed with truncheons and sprays yet have to wear a stab/bullet proof vest?
We have trained units only.
Bill I enjoyed reading your piece and it makes me think how lucky I am where I live right now, dont get me wrong, criminals with guns exist here too but not in the same way, we dont experience drive by shootings or stabbings, most of the violence here is someone getting a good kicking, deserved or not...a friend of my wifes was delighted to see a bar brawl that didnt have any weapons, just good old fashioned fists and a little normal cursing..( she was from New Orleans)
I think that the death penalty should be brought back in the UK and even the Birch or similar to what they use in the far east.
Anyways I thought the fist post in this thread was awesome nice pics of the Handgun. I would like to get back into some sport shooting when I move over the pond so we will see how it goes...
My tuppence worth and if it doesnt make sense to anyone Im sorry but my explanations in type can get me a little confused.
regards,simon:tu
Bill,Quote:
Originally Posted by urleebird
How's about a single shot Sharps .45 2 1/10 launching 540 grain slugs? (see avatar)
As I said in my last comment on the subject. Most people who spend 25yrs in prison become institutionalized. They litterally become dependant on the jail and dont function right in society. This is not myth or some crazy idea someone came up with... its a cold hard fact and a very small percentage of inmates spending the majority of thier life behind bars can deal with life outside of prison. Typically you wont get a 25 yr sentence for "Innocent" crimes so more than likely you are dealing with a disturbed individual in the first place... I promise 25 years of prison isnt going to change that. Im not saying there isn't an exception to the rule... but from personal experince, I can say that long term prison sentences dont cure crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT
I do agree with this. But I dont think that an entire nation should suffer at the expense of a sick individuals mental health. Those tax's that are used to "Help" those prisoners is the exact same thing that causes an excess of lower class... those say cant afford to live without 20+ hours of overtime. You see a cycle here? I mean look at me. Im 24 and self employeed. I support 4 people and I am suppose to pay 52% of my income to tax's? Just some rough math here...Quote:
Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT
-- Rent - $1500
-- Util - $420
-- Food - $1200 (@400/wk with 4 people) I pay more than that.
-- Vehicle loan - $400
-- Insurance - $140
-- Cell phones - $180
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Total (Basics) $3,840/m ( so I have to make what? $7,600/m just to be
broke?)
This doesn't even include Fuel, buisness expenses, that soda you grab at the gas station... nothing... And I know I spend more than $1200 in fuel a month...... Now I have to make double that just to break even? Even with 3 people working in this house... thats a lot of money... -mumbles- If I payed all my tax's I would be living in a cardboard box... -Cough, cough- Anyhow... Not only do I have to live like this for those criminals to have an easy life in jail... the entire nation has to fight the same problems? And after paying all those tax's... more than 75% of inmates released are repeat offenders? Prison/rehabilitation isn't the answer to crime...
Once again, just my take on the topic.
Ok -- before this degenerates into a brugh-ha, can we get back on-topic. SRP is not the place to debate the merits of incarceration and/or variuous forms of penalty/reform, even in the Off-Topic Forum. Please? ;)
Ok Joe,
I'll back off even though I had a reply ready. Sometimes I get too caught up in politics lol.
Yeah... politics, religion and abortions are always dangerous grounds. Sometimes things are probably left unsaid :p
Nope. Not unless you shoot that one off your chin. The rigby only has a 400+ grain bullet, but muzzle energy over 5,000.Quote:
Bill,
How's about a single shot Sharps .45 2 1/10 launching 540 grain slugs? (see avatar)
I shot it out of a Ruger model 1 with only a half inch pad. My mistake, boy howdy. I never want to see another 4 inch long shell the rest of my life if it goes in something that pressed against my shoulder.
Here's one interesting article on the 416...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/858504/posts
Josh, you can have that baby gun with the light, I want this one...
http://tinyurl.com/gnlt6