Thread: 100% Effective

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Originally Posted by Jimbo

Amen Lord!

so I'm going to forgive you this time

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

Devout Catholics have religious prohibition against contraception and the government has less than ZERO business running afoul of that.

All Catholics, not just the devout ones, fall under that prohibition, yet the vast majority of them simply chose to ignore it. And the Catholic organizations in NY state where I am and where that newly minted cardinal has been in charge for few years now, already provide contraception because state law requires them to do so.

Here's an idea how to not provide contraception if that's offending your religious beliefs - run your religious organization with volunteers instead of with employees. It's the Christian way after all, though only if by 'Christian' you mean the way Jesus proposed it.

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

..I bet if we were forcing ham sandwiches down the throats of Muslim school children, there would be a whole other tone coming out of the liberal left.

Wrong, the state approved bad school nutritionist, afterall C='s degree, would replace the ham sandwiches with deep fried chicken nuggets. Oh wait, wrong thread. Ooops.

Wait - who is being forced to use contraceptives?
I missed that part.

Originally Posted by HNSB

Wait - who is being forced to use contraceptives?
I missed that part.

Nobody, that's why this is a stupid issue for conservatives to get their panties in a twist over it. The only thing that's being required is that the insurance plans selected by employers for their employees to buy has to include contraception with no co-pay. Nobody's making the women who buy that insurance use contraception, they're just making sure that contraception is a choice available to every woman, regardless of their other financial circumstances.

Of course, there are some religious organizations who believe that contraception should never be chosen, and they want the right to deny that option to the people they employ, or at least make it much more expensive and unreasonable for them to take that choice.

Originally Posted by Kantian Pragmatist

Nobody, that's why this is a stupid issue for conservatives to get their panties in a twist over it. The only thing that's being required is that the insurance plans selected by employers for their employees to buy has to include contraception with no co-pay. Nobody's making the women who buy that insurance use contraception, they're just making sure that contraception is a choice available to every woman, regardless of their other financial circumstances.

Of course, there are some religious organizations who believe that contraception should never be chosen, and they want the right to deny that option to the people they employ, or at least make it much more expensive and unreasonable for them to take that choice.

I respectfully disagree. The government mandating that a certain group disregard their religious beliefs and provide goods and services prohibited by their religious tenants is (in my estimation) one hell of a good reason to get your panties in a wad. Since when is government intervention required to make contraceptives available anyway? Every damn grocery store, gas station, convenient store, or drug store has aisles and aisles of this stuff availability is NOT an issue. If your religion prohibits the use of such items that's your choice NOT the government's. I'd really prefer that our benevolent leaders concentrate on really significant issues like an economy that's been in the toilet for 4 years, a president that entertains terrorists at the White House, and supreme court justices that view the Constitution as a pesky little document.

I guess I'm just a little surprised that the OP was even seen as a political issue. Contraception in and of itself is NOT and should not be a political issue. Call me crazy but just like alot of you, my folks taught me that relative to the humpty dumpty you have 3 options:
1. Obstain and take matters into your own hands
2. Put a helmet on that soldier before he goes to battle (i.e. be responsible and protect yourself)
3. If you can't or won't exercise option 1 or 2, be prepared to be a man and handle your business when the lady in question turns up pregnant.

Notice none of the above requires our benevolent leadership's intervention. It just struck me as funny because my Mom used to say the same thing. And as the title of the thread suggests literally and mechanically. If a woman squeezed an asprin between here legs, pregnancy would be quite impossible.

I agree that it shouldn't be up to the government to determine what is or isn't part of a healthcare plan.
Where I got lost is on the argument about forcing ham sandwiches down the throats of muslim kids. The current situation would be more like making ham sandwiches available and leaving it up to them to choose whether to eat it - in other words: the exact way things work right now, which no one is complaining about.

I guess I'm just a little surprised that the OP was even seen as a political issue.

It was probably your second post (post #3 in the thread) where you brought up politics that made it into a political issue.

So what if I own a company and I'm one of those guys whose religion says you leave all medical issues in the big man's hands and would rather watch your wife die at home rather than be treated and cured by the medical community. Does that mean I can tell my employees "no health insurance for you cause I don't need it or think it's within my moral convictions so neither do you. Just learn to prey and your health issues will be answered" You want insurance buy it all yourself.

If you own that company and pay me enough to buy private insurance, I'll come work for you.

Of course it probably doesn't matter that birth control pills have other medical uses than just as a contraceptive.