Thread: Kony 2012

Sooo... Clarify for me. Because Leopold 2's terrible actions were ignored for all those years, and until 2002 he had commemorative coins minted...

Does that prove the point that what Kony is doing to children in Uganda is unacceptable, or is it comparatively reasonable compared to European history, and therefore not worth the effort to trying to correct?

Bruno, your post has left me confused. I'm not sure what you are trying to tell us.

Originally Posted by Legion

Sooo... Clarify for me. Because Leopold 2's terrible actions were ignored for all those years, and until 2002 he had commemorative coins minted...

Does that prove the point that what Kony is doing to children in Uganda is unacceptable, or is it comparatively reasonable compared to European history, and therefore not worth the effort to trying to correct?

Bruno, your post has left me confused. I'm not sure what you are trying to tell us.

I am trying to tell you that a couple of people are taking the Kony issue and trying to put themselves in the spotlight.
I'm trying to tell you that while Kony DID a number of really bad things, he is not quite doing them now. What he did in the past cannot be undone.

And if you had read my story with a bit more care, you would have seen that the reason for the story was to show that the world at large does not give a damn as long as they get their shiny new toys. 100 years ago, the world exploited Africa for the rubber. These days it is rare earth elements and minerals.

You argue that we should not make fun of it, but really... liking a status on facebook will not change the world.
If you want to make an actual, real change, do what several people (including ones making fun of the Kony 2012 thing in this thread) here already indicated they do: DO something. Find something with which you want to help and do so.

That will have much more real effect than liking a status on facebook.

Bla, Bla, Bla social spot to make them famous.... If we all start something than et`s start from change, changing ourselves. Pay with good for good, pay with good for not good things happening to you/us a then we will never hear about this kind of "actions" or "movements". In just in month I saw (watch video):
1. 2 years old chinese girl ride over by two or 3 cars. No one help her, no one from by standing people> Shame on humans! She die in hospital.
2. 2 years old-death on camera from HOMES (Syria) done by Cooper 360 (after this to me he is biggest hypocrite I have EVER seen-since he never had guts to show what USA army did in Iraq during war, not get me wrong-I don`t care what army it is, USA, Pakistan, Chinese-this is just hypocrite example) where child die in hands of his father from wounds (this really break my hearth regardless of nation, religion, it was 2 years old child for F*** S***)

We all take part in huge "play" of rich people as marionettes (and I`m not idealistic, it is fact, not constipation, not manipulation, simple fact). We are over flooded by news, we stop thinking, we stop feeling.
Why instead of promoting our self we just start doing good things to other people and never expect anything return and do not take credit for that?
I remember when I was small my grandfather (he lost his whole family during WWII, shoot on his eyes and left on the scene) help homeless guy (which was bit up by some punks) took him home, later to hospital and I ask him why he did that? I told him: "You don`t know him". He just smile and said-" Because this is right thing to do and leverage many not right things which were done to us. At least that`s what I can do"
OK, enough… I got little angry… but I will not stop be good person….

Originally Posted by proximus26

Why instead of promoting our self we just start doing good things to other people and never expect anything return and do not take credit for that?
I remember when I was small my grandfather (he lost his whole family during WWII, shoot on his eyes and left on the scene) help homeless guy (which was bit up by some punks) took him home, later to hospital and I ask him why he did that? I told him: "You don`t know him". He just smile and said-" Because this is right thing to do and leverage many not right things which were done to us. At least that`s what I can do"
OK, enough… I got little angry… but I will not stop be good person….

+1.

Before WW2, my grandmother was rich. Loaded would be a better term.
Then during WW2, food prices went through the roof. They of course still had food. Some stuff was rationed but if you could afford it you could eat.
Other people could not. Her neighbors were litterally down to feeding their kids with grass. And they were not the exception.
So my grandmother started buying more and more food, giving it away. A sizable percentage of the village I grew up in owes their life to my grandmother.

After the war, most of the money was gone. She had literally spent a forune on food, feeding countless mouths. The only reason she wasn't poor was that by the time most of the money was gone, the war had ended, and she started with a really big pile of it.

Not all people were like her. Not by far. She never much talked about the war except the everyday stuff (like having to dim lights at night etc), but to my mother she once explained that people came asking for food, and she could not even consider turning them away. Helping was the decent thing to do, regardless of the fact that it would cost her almost everything. If she hadn't, my parents would have been rich, but we all think she made the right choice.

She taught me that you can only help people by helping people.
Holding on to your posessions and yammering that there is injustice and that someone should do something... that is not helping people or making a difference. That is just being selfish and trying to make yourself feel good. Talking about helping is not helping. Helping is helping.

And the vast majority of the people liking the facebook status is not helping.
They're talking about helping.

If it were possible I would like to kiss that womans face, she did not feed me or my family, but she is still owed a thank you.

I see what Bruno is taliking about all of the time, especially when American politics comes up, you have the left wanting the govt to do this and the right wants the government to do that. What they will not realize is that it is not in anybodies best interest to have a large government that ends up only serving itself(the nature of government), and if you want something done right, YOU BETTER DO IT YOURSELF.

As Marcus Aurelius wrote, "Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be; be one."

I too would like to thank Bruno's Grandmother.

I also find it interesting that in most cases these days, people from outside the USA have a better grip on what's happening politically here in the GOOD OL' US of A than 90% of the people that live here.

Bruno, thanks for the insight. I appreciate it.
Willie

Bruno, politically we don't agree very often but I must admit that this particular issue is the rare exception. Kony 2012 is nothing more than ideological masturbation. People getting rich selling the notion that you can save the world by buying a bracelet and some bumper stickers. Years back weren't we going to straighten out Ethiopia by selling some records? How'd that turn out? Well, not so good but for a minute the well meaning sheeple got to feel very good about changing the world, without even breaking a sweat but when it was all said and done and had it's couple months of being the latest call to activism, things in Ethiopia changed very little. What about Somolia? Weren't we going to solve all their problems too? Clinton made a fine show of it until people started dying. Ideological masturbation only works if we can feel really good without anyone being inconvenienced, having to be bothered to figure out facts and cultural realities or worse yet having to explain much about what actually happened. Probably a safe bet that the very military we're helping is guilty of many of the same atrocities as Mr. Kony.

I'll post my thoughts:


MY THOUGHTS!!!


Carry on.



Never try and teach a pig to sing, it frustrates you and irritates the pig.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

The minority be damned sir! Need I remind you that in this fair democracy of ours it is the majority that rules, I find your position most repugnant and lacking moral courage! Furthermore I find your statement of having friends to be with out any merit whatsoever! If you did indeed have any at all it would have to be a minority, I simply can not believe that you could find a substantial number of them to be had at any price. ;P

Well said !..............................................