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Really now, your paranoia will be your undoing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
I heard on some right wing talk radio show that Obama ain't from Kenya he's really from outer space and he's promised the world to some folks from alpha centuri or something like that.
By the way I retired from an enforcement position with the Federal Govt 9 years ago and hollow point ammo was what we had been using for years and so was everyone else in the Govt.
I think you just proved the bigspendur's point.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
Hey, being paranoid doesn't mean they ain't out to get you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Whoever said that musta been takin' roof hits from the Choom Wagon. Intercepted!!Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
POTUS or POT-HEAD? Bummer maaaaan.
Well folks, after that I think this thread has run it's course......Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
(I just wanted to get another word in before the inevitable thread closure :))
Why did DHS feel it necessary to buy 7 years worth?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
My paranoia is based on what Obama does, not just what he says. He has spoken many time about how the Constitution is in his way. His first large act coming into office was the takeover of GM. This was clearly illegal. There are bankruptcy laws and he just ignored them. Where does the power come from to tell the creditors to just forget their money and then give the majority of the company to the unions?
Then the appointment of all the Czars. He just made the offices up. Where does the money come from? They are near cabinet posts and he pulled the power out of thin air.
Then there were his office appointments during the holidays. Illegal. but no one stopped him.
EVERY time the jobs report comes out they report improvement. The following Thursday, like clockwork, they revise the numbers down and erase the gains. The unemployment number is more like 17%. When people run out of Unemployment money they stop counting them. That's why the unemployment is falling, not because there are more jobs. The financial numbers they claim for Obamacare are complete fiction. No one calls him on the lies. The media for the most part just goes along with him. He seems to have no compunction to tell the truth at all.
Then floating the idea of raising the debt ceiling himself if Congress wouldn't act. Then claiming if Congress wouldn't act on spending bill he would act on his own. These are EXTREMELY dangerous comments and show his complete disdain for the Constitution. Congress is the only body able to spend money.
Clearly, in my mind, he would love to have a crisis to allow him to grab more power. That's why the spending spree. What other rational reason can there be for it? The stimulous plans clearly aren't working.
So are you saying, "The line has been drawn?" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan82
I generally drawn the line with the tip of my fixed bayonet anything within that circle is my business and i really only worry about what is within range of the attached rifle.... the rest of the universe does not matter to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReardenSteel
Fast and Furious. How many people have even heard of it?
They bought guns and let them go into Mexico. They did this to prove gun control wasn't working. This resulted in many Mexican deaths and one US Law enforcement.
Holder is still lying about this one.
The Black Panthers intimidated voters. The Black Panthers put out a bounty on Zimmerman. Apparently if you are Black, Holder refuses to file charges.
Please name ONE thing positive Obama has done that isn't a lie. And don't say Osama. Obama didn't have anything to do with that. That was just a continuation of Bush policies.
The problem with discussions like this is perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
Even I, as an outsider can se many positive things about the current administrations politics and actions.
The problem is, my positives seem very much like your negatives
Of course Bush was a saint, wasn't he. I seem to remember a war with Iraq that illegally bypassed Congressional and UN support. But then again, Bush is a Republican, so he is a hero instead of a crook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
Absolutely not. Bush spent too much money and also grew the government. The President does have the authority to start a war. If you will remember, Bush did go to Congress to get authority to continue it. He didn't say he would go on without Congress as Obama is vowing to do for his agenda. Bush wasn't nearly as arrogant as Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theseus
Obama is spending money at least 4 times as fast as Bush ever did.
Lest we forget, Dubya was "irresponsible and unpatriotic" He added a whole 4 trillion dollars to our debt. Borrowing money from the Chicomms that our grandkids will have to repay!? That bastard! I'm shocked!
Senator Obama calls Bush "unpatriotic" for adding trillions to debt www.RightFace.us - YouTube
And wow! This guy just cuts right to the chase, the most transparent administration ever he's really looking out for us:
7 Lies In Under 2 Minutes (obama lies) - YouTube
What an incredible orator. This guy just puts Ronald Reagan to shame. What a stud! Tell me when he speaks you don't get a thrill up your leg!
53 seconds that should end a presidency - YouTube
Whenever any country gets divided in two opposite camps makes a certain risk of getting worse unless those camps or parties are willing to negotiate and able to understand the opposite side. We had our civil war no more than 90 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Therefore most European countries today swear in the name of multi-party system. It might have its flaws, but situation where one party only would get the sole majority, over 50% of votes would be a nightmare here.
It have to be that bad but polarization hardly makes it any better.
Biggest danger with extremists on either side (on any side, imho) is not just their incapability to think of a country as a place for all of it's citizen but rather that their ideas and speeches full of hate towards those who not think alike might spread. Then the bad soap is ready to served, as we say.
I wouldn't want to believe it is the case there. Nowadays so many people just do not care about politics.
That's exactly part of the problem. Most do not care and when that happens a vocal minority find a way to basically take over the system. It's happened over and over in history usually with tragic consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor
When this country was founded Senators were not elected they were appointed by Governors. It was set up that way because the founders feared the common people could be easily fooled and an extreme minority could basically stage a legal coup. They hoped the wealthy and better educated could make better choices.
Well. I too like a multi-party system and we do have one here. You do also get majority governments with this system, maybe we don't have enough parties. Majority governments are not a bad thing if there is a certain amount of inter party consultant to gain proper compromises before legislation is voted on and enacted. Right now from my POV, we have a majority government in power that is running rough shod over everyone and thing that is not in agreement with it. Oddly enough this party is to the right of the political spectrum and just how far right they really are is anyone's guess. I have never seen such a bullying and boorish form of governance from a majority party in my life.
Here and I believe it is so in other democratic countries, it is rare to get more than about 50% of eligible voters to actually vote. The politicians claim to be surprised that there is this disenfranchisement among voters. I guess they don't see a reflection when they look in the mirror or just can't recognize what many voters see if they do. That is a pretty convenient ability to have for a politician as they do not have to be concerned about a huge part of the public. That can and does lead to all kinds of abuses.
The above two conditions leave you absolutely no way to even draw the line at least in the short term till the next election.
Bob
Not one person so far has listed a positive Obama achievement.
Coincedence...I THINK NOT! You probably won't hear him touting his many accomplishments during the campaign either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
Honestly man, I think this has gone so far off the reservation that everyone has given up on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
The funny thing is, I don't remember anyone being particularly over the moon about Obama on this thread...I think some of us like him better than Bush...some of us like him better than the prospect of Romney...but he's still a politician and some of us don't really like any of those, but we didn't think he was the anti-christ either.
If I was still invested in this conversation, I would have sent you to this site to get your feathers in a ruffle...but honestly that site is just partisan like the stuff you have been throwing down...just for the other side. That being said, you're pretty far out there...full on conspiracy theory stuff. I'm so glad I don't believe any of that...living would be terrifying if I thought all that stuff was true.
And just to make a point of saying it...I have no problem with you personally as (I hope) is the case vice-versa...we just don't see eye to eye on politics, to put it mildly :)
A 2008 Technology Review article stated, "Electric cars—and plug-in hybrid cars—have an enormous advantage over hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles in utilizing low-carbon electricity. That is because of the inherent inefficiency of the entire hydrogen fueling process, from generating the hydrogen with that electricity to transporting this diffuse gas long distances, getting the hydrogen in the car, and then running it through a fuel cell—all for the purpose of converting the hydrogen back into electricity to drive the same exact electric motor you'll find in an electric car."
I wasn't talking about converting hydrogen back into electricity for motor. The project I was talking about at BMW are running internal combustion engines on hydrogen gas contained in a fuel-cell they seem to work fine and they are proceeding, building a hydrogen highway in Finland. I believe I had read this in popular science about five months ago. As far as producing hydrogen with electricity to convert it back into electricity would be ridiculous in my opinion, however in grade school and junior high we did experiments showing just how easy it was to produce hydrogen it is in this sense that it can be used as a burnable fuel, which produces nothing but water, and of course power. I for one would welcome a hydrogen powered car as everything I've read on this indicates that it works very well and is a high-octane fuel and I do like my car is fast and my fuel cheap. Just my humble opinion.
it would probably make it in the top 10 of the world's shortest listsQuote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
Yea, I guess the list of Nobel Peace Prize winners is a rather short one. Couldn't resist after all the negativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzley1
Bob
yup if he deserved it then I guess I should be getting mine pretty soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
This isnt negativity, I just don't like him very much, and like most politicians I just dont trust him.Also spending money isnt a talent
Hold on a minute I did not say I thought he deserved it, only that he won it. When it comes to politicians it seems people have to pick the lesser of two evils no matter where in the world you are.
Bob
Combusting hydrogen is different than 'fuel-cell', the later indeed converts 'chemical' energy into 'electrical' (quotes needed because the chemical energy is electrical, but this is no place for a full science lesson).Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzley1
And yes, it works, but the energy density of hydrogen (which you are using as a storage) is almost an order of magnitude than that of conventional fuel. The only advantage is the 'no-emissions' at the end stage, but you have to count the emissions in the production of the storage, as well as alternative technologies with 'no-emissions' at the end stage too (electric car).
Obviously they are trying to make it cheap enough for commercialization, but the success of that is far from given. From what I understand there are already many billions of dollars spent on this, and there will be even more spent, but at this point it's foolish to bet on it as a sure thing that only needs a little bit of time. There are several competing technologies so we'll have to live and see what the future will end up like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzley1
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Originally Posted by Crotalus
To me this is just boring and pointless, and I would be stupid to waste my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1OldGI
But you have fun if that is what floats your boat.
And if by any chance you don't find a playmate remember to pat yourselves on the shoulder for forcing all those liberals to back down. No doubt your arguments have won.
gugi
Yea, the time is long past for seriousness in this thread.
Bob
Translation: We know he sucks too but our rigid ideology forces us not to admit it. In lieu of giving you the satisfaction of being right, we'll belittle you while appearing to do so, that way it doesn't look like a true admission of the fact, our guy sucks!Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
Maybe this is what the Handlers want us to do. The more that we worry about the unprovable and ufo's the less time we have to worry about what's really happening in the US and the World.
Look at Canada last week. Is there anything on the front pages of the US papers about what the 'People' are doing there. No! They don't want us to think about these thing. We need to all look at what's happening to 'us' and try to realize how we're being manipulated.
When they harm one of us, they harm all of us.
I looked at the site and I disagree with 4 out of 5 of those. A few were good, but hardly classified as major improvements. I would call most of them were negated by the phony stimulus plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanjewell
I have no personal problem with you. I can argue politics all day without getting emotionally involved unlike some of my opponents. Most political discussions get out of hand because the other person really hasn't studied the issues so just gets mad when he can't counter the arguments.
Grizz,
Hydrogen is a great fuel. One of the biggest hurdles I see with it is being able to carry enough to go a long distance. High pressure gas bottles are dangerous. I've seen it stored in a solid form and you heated this solid to release the gas. It's been so long since I saw it demonstrated I have no idea what it was called.
They took a tank and shot it with a tracer round. It didn't blow up even though it ignited. It just had a 1' flame coming out of the bottle. You can heat the bottle with engine exhaust to release the gas. Maybe the company ran out of money.
I understand that Apple has announced plans to build a hydrogen (from natural gas) generation plant somewhere on the East coast.
The Nobel Prize has gone off the rails. It is laughed at most of the time now. It gave the peace prize to Al Gore for his lying movie of all things.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobH
Peace Prize to Obama? For what exactly? It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
I'll admit, there are times where I get upset...but that's only when an issue gets personal for me...i.e. friends not getting care due to the current state of our heath insurance system. and i'm not sure if it's that people can't counter the arguments...it's just that on both sides, the "truth" shifts significantly based on whatever side someone is rooting for, so even that has become subjective...and it's just plain hard for an argument to not just devolve into anger when both sides have "facts" to back up why they believe what they believe and neither side is really interested in seeing the others point of view. i make a strong effort to see both sides...sometimes i'm better at it, sometimes i'm not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
I guess you did not see the post where I said he won it and I did not say he deserved it. Regardless of what you or I think of these prizes in general or who deserves them, getting one is generally considered a positive accomplishment for the individual receiving it and the nation they represent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
Bob
I believe that was the fuel storage cell from BMW,as I think I saw the same thing on one of the science channels,or maybe Modern Marvels. It was on that show that they said the car would go about 200 miles with the present technology,and they were working on extending the range. on another point there is a very interesting video on youtube showing a car that ran on hydrogen and all you did was fill up the tank with water,and a device using harmonics converted it into the gas,they also sent a news crew to investagate it and they were convinced that it worked,then the guy suddenly died, the car dissapeared and was just recently discovered.you guys should check this out,...it looks like the real deal Water Powered Car Inventor was Killed! - YouTube Stanley Meyer 1992 Interview Incredible lost tapes found - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
There energy has to come from somewhere to split the water.
Using "harmonics" sounds like BS.
There's a guy selling a "water welder" that claimed free energy. He just omitted that it took a lot of electricity to make the water useable.
I hate when I miss Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crotalus
Then I don't know what I'm supposed to say in these arguments.
Are those the guys that keep redrawing the lines for us based on their current viewer ratings?Quote:
Originally Posted by HNSB
Sometimes I think we all just live in one big Focus Group and God is the Head of Marketing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
James.
Who's that? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo