Thread: Where Do We Draw The Line?

Originally Posted by Crotalus

The biggest problem I have with government is that it does absolutely nothing well or efficiently.

Social Security - Bankrupt.
Post Office - Bankrupt.
Medicare - Bankrupt and full of fraud.

And the private industry is better? The medicare is more efficient than the private alternatives - check the reports with the numbers, not the propaganda.
Social security - let's compare it to what matters, the private citizen's version of it. Most people's assets (home value, stocks & bonds) are down by X%.
Post Office - compare to the alternative, a private company providing postal service to every household in the country. Let me ask you a question - why don't you use FedEx, UPS, or DHL for every single piece of mail you send out?
I also keep getting these 'USP innovations' packages from business who offer 'free shipping' for very low cost items. They drop them off at my local post office and have the USPS delivery person bring them to my house.

The government's role is to provide services for every single citizen. When you transfer that to a private business they provide these services only to those who are profitable to provide services to. It's that simple.
Then you draw the line at whatever place you value your individualism vs. your nationality.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

The real problem is no term limits and career politicians. Have you noticed how ALL of them are rich? The founders never intended for public service to be a lifetime job.

Now, this one I don't believe for a second.

I was pretty sure that only people draw the line... maybe I was fooled all this time.... I guess many institution has wrong people in charge drawing wrong lines....

Originally Posted by gugi

And the private industry is better? The medicare is more efficient than the private alternatives - check the reports with the numbers, not the propaganda.
Social security - let's compare it to what matters, the private citizen's version of it. Most people's assets (home value, stocks & bonds) are down by X%.
Post Office - compare to the alternative, a private company providing postal service to every household in the country. Let me ask you a question - why don't you use FedEx, UPS, or DHL for every single piece of mail you send out?
I also keep getting these 'USP innovations' packages from business who offer 'free shipping' for very low cost items. They drop them off at my local post office and have the USPS delivery person bring them to my house.

The government's role is to provide services for every single citizen. When you transfer that to a private business they provide these services only to those who are profitable to provide services to. It's that simple.
Then you draw the line at whatever place you value your individualism vs. your nationality.


Now, this one I don't believe for a second.

You haven't been following the news. Two doctors in this area have just been arrested for defrauding Medicare for millions.

So why should taxes pay billions for delivering mail? Charge what it really costs. Get rid of extra employees. Have you stood in line at the post office lately. Be prepared for slow service and frustration. This is because they have no one to answer to.

Social Security is bankrupt because the Democrats RAIDED the funds and added them to the general fund and spent the money.

Sure the government is supposed to provide services. Show me where it says anything about healthcare, retirement, and postal service in the constitution.

Have you heard of insider trading? The law that put Martha Stewart in jail? The legislators are in a perfect position to do this since they decide who gets what contracts. They are EXEMPT from insider trading. That's how they get rich. There was a law proposed in just the last few months to make it illegal and the law was rejected.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

You haven't been following the news. Two doctors in this area have just been arrested for defrauding Medicare for millions.

And Bernie Madoff went to prison defrauding investors for tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars. Your point?

Originally Posted by Crotalus

So why should taxes pay billions for delivering mail?

Do they? First I'd like you to tell me how much has USPS taken from the US taxpayer. And then I want you to read Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the US Constitution.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Sure the government is supposed to provide services. Show me where it says anything about healthcare, retirement, and postal service in the constitution.

If the constitution was meant to be the sole law in USA then the US Congress would not have been established.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Have you heard of insider trading? The law that put Martha Stewart in jail? The legislators are in a perfect position to do this since they decide who gets what contracts. They are EXEMPT from insider trading. That's how they get rich. There was a law proposed in just the last few months to make it illegal and the law was rejected.

Perhaps you ought to start reading news instead of propaganda.
Obama signs insider trading bill, wants more curbs on Congress | Reuters

Originally Posted by Crotalus

You haven't been following the news. Two doctors in this area have just been arrested for defrauding Medicare for millions.

By the same token we should ban all handguns because someone once shot someone else?

Originally Posted by Bruno

By the same token we should ban all handguns because someone once shot someone else?

That's only funny if it doesn't happen in your country. Try getting a shooting permit over here....not so easy.