Thread: Where Do We Draw The Line?

The hysterical response to "socialized medicine" south of the border leaves me puzzled. I live in a country that has a form of socialized medicine, one of many variations out there, and do not want to see privatized medicine gain anymore of a foothold here than it already has. I trust large corporate entities even less than than I do governments. There are certain key things that I do not think privatization would improve. To me privatization in health care with the over riding motive of profit is a "death squad" waiting to happen. That is just the view from other side of the fence.

I recall having a conversation with a Minnesotan about taxes we both paid and it turned out that we were both tax free about the same time of year. The difference was that he had to pay a huge amount monthly for family private medical coverage which I did not. My medical coverage was included in the taxes I had paid. I think I will keep what I have and know.

No system is perfect but I would rather have a system where everyone is entitled to the same level of medical coverage rich or poor. There are many ways to get there but a two tiered system is not one of them for me.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

The hysterical response to "socialized medicine" south of the border leaves me puzzled. I live in a country that has a form of socialized medicine, one of many variations out there, and do not want to see privatized medicine gain anymore of a foothold here than it already has. I trust large corporate entities even less than than I do governments. There are certain key things that I do not think privatization would improve. To me privatization in health care with the over riding motive of profit is a "death squad" waiting to happen. That is just the view from other side of the fence.

I recall having a conversation with a Minnesotan about taxes we both paid and it turned out that we were both tax free about the same time of year. The difference was that he had to pay a huge amount monthly for family private medical coverage which I did not. My medical coverage was included in the taxes I had paid. I think I will keep what I have and know.

No system is perfect but I would rather have a system where everyone is entitled to the same level of medical coverage rich or poor. There are many ways to get there but a two tiered system is not one of them for me.

Bob

The hysterical response is triggered by National stories about Canadian medicine. Like the parents of a child that had a terminal illness. They wanted to continue to treat the kid and the government refused. They wouldn't even allow the parents to purchase treatment. The hospitals were ordered to let him die. They brought the kid here to the US for treatment. The kid finally died, but the frightening part was the governments decision to kill the kid instead of leaving it up to the parents.

That's exactly what I mean about a faceless bureaucrat deciding if you live or die. It wasn't the doctors.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

The hysterical response is triggered by National stories about Canadian medicine. Like the parents of a child that had a terminal illness. They wanted to continue to treat the kid and the government refused. They wouldn't even allow the parents to purchase treatment. The hospitals were ordered to let him die. They brought the kid here to the US for treatment. The kid finally died, but the frightening part was the governments decision to kill the kid instead of leaving it up to the parents.

That's exactly what I mean about a faceless bureaucrat deciding if you live or die. It wasn't the doctors.

I would be interested in a link or two to that story before I care to comment. I can say that a friend of mine went to our local hospital and underwent tests. They found he had a heart problem and a few days later they flew him an hour and half away to under go open heart surgery. All went well and he was flown home. Virtually no out of pocket expenses. He has absolutely no complaints. You got your stories and I have mine.

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

I would be interested in a link or two to that story before I care to comment. I can say that a friend of mine went to our local hospital and underwent tests. They found he had a heart problem and a few days later they flew him an hour and half away to under go open heart surgery. All went well and he was flown home. Virtually no out of pocket expenses. He has absolutely no complaints. You got your stories and I have mine.

Bob

Ok.

Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer | Fox News

Canadian family fights to move baby on life support to U.S. - CNN.com

Tell us again about Canadian Healthcare compassion. - Cafepharma Message Boards

Newsvine - Socialized Canadian Healthcare Denies Potentially Life Saving Operation: 'Baby Joseph' taken to U.S. in last ditch effort to prolong life

I can't believe you didn't hear about this.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Ok.

Canadian Family in Life Support Battle Denied Request for Hospital Transfer | Fox News

Canadian family fights to move baby on life support to U.S. - CNN.com

Tell us again about Canadian Healthcare compassion. - Cafepharma Message Boards

Newsvine - Socialized Canadian Healthcare Denies Potentially Life Saving Operation: 'Baby Joseph' taken to U.S. in last ditch effort to prolong life

I can't believe you didn't hear about this.

Well, it is a year or two old so I guess old age is starting to work it's magic. If you mean this case London: Second child of Moe Maraachli and Sana Nader born with same disease as their first one | CIR: Canadian Immigration Report I can't see what is too wrong, personally. Medical opinion was upheld by a court against the wishes of the parents. A Michigan Hospital also said they could do no more for him than was already done in Canada but eventually a hospital was found in the US that would do the procedure and he survived several months more in a vegetative state. Such decisions are a tough call for anyone to make, in the end the outcome was no different on way or the other. Prolonging a life with a procedure that does nothing to treat the terminal condition is probably only comforting to the parents and not the person in a vegetative state. Like I say, tough call for anyone and you live with the decision the rest of your life. In the end there was no death squad that I can see.

Bob

Originally Posted by Crotalus

The hysterical response is triggered by National stories about Canadian medicine. Like the parents of a child that had a terminal illness. They wanted to continue to treat the kid and the government refused. They wouldn't even allow the parents to purchase treatment. The hospitals were ordered to let him die. They brought the kid here to the US for treatment. The kid finally died, but the frightening part was the governments decision to kill the kid instead of leaving it up to the parents.

That's exactly what I mean about a faceless bureaucrat deciding if you live or die. It wasn't the doctors.

Hell, we don't even half to point our fingers at Canada for such outrageous BS. Here's how our own benevolent leader plans to take care of old people. NOTICE THE SOURCE, not Fox News or some other "right wing propoganda outlet" This is from ABC the state controlled media! Apparently when we're too old to help fund his grand social experiment he's just gonna give us some pain meds and call it good. Anyone who's actually up for four more years of this nonsense ought to have their heads examined.
Obama's Health Care Solution for Elderly - Just take a Pill - YouTube