Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

ALL of the presidents in recent history have been "protected" by guys carrying FULL auto stuff.

He puts his pants on one leg at a time just like the rest of us. If it's good enough for him, I figure it ought to be good enough for me. Cops carry guns to protect themselves. How is the cop any better than me? Sure, his chances of mixing it up with a "bad guy" are higher. I'm not advocating that he give up his gun. I'm just saying, I have a right and duty to protect my family and myself.

When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

THAT being said, I have no desire anymore to own full auto stuff.

They're extremely expensive to own and to operate. FUN yes, expensive, HELL YES!

Has someone posted this yet? I don't know, and am too lazy to look, but here it is:

On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman

Either you are, or you aren't. No one can change your mind but you.

I've seen that. I don't recall it in this thread though. Good points!

Originally Posted by bharner

I think he'd rather you use a FAL or a Scar...

I'd rather use a CSA compact with 7.5" barrel Too bad we can't take'em hunting in Canada

Originally Posted by Costabro

Man, you reached WAY back there with the crackhead reference. I though I was the only still using crack as a reference

Not that far back. Haven't seen too many methheads around here (most of them are in the oil patch), but I've been accosted by crackheads recently.

Originally Posted by unit

Ahh, but can someone not be "bad" in an (un)ethical sense in the absence of any laws?

Yes.

James.

Originally Posted by unit

Ahh, but can someone not be "bad" in an (un)ethical sense in the absence of any laws?

Yes.

But not everyone.

Originally Posted by honedright

On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman

...

...The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.

So why can't you be a sheepdog without a gun? Is it because all the wolves have guns? What would happen if the wolves didn't have guns? What would a sheepdog look like then? How do sheepdogs even hold a gun? As you move along the sheep to sheepdog continuum, do you somehow grow opposable thumbs? I can see how this would be a great analogy for Americans, but holds very little relevancy for me in Australia, for example.

The idea that "sheep" are in denial is also quite offensive. I happen to be a sheep, and I am quite aware thanks. Gross generalisations make excellent over-simplified analogy though I suppose.

James.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Gross generalisations make excellent over-simplified analogy

and wonderful conversation forum fodder!

Originally Posted by Jimbo

So why can't you be a sheepdog without a gun? Is it because all the wolves have guns? What would happen if the wolves didn't have guns? What would a sheepdog look like then? How do sheepdogs even hold a gun? As you move along the sheep to sheepdog continuum, do you somehow grow opposable thumbs? I can see how this would be a great analogy for Americans, but holds very little relevancy for me in Australia, for example.

The idea that "sheep" are in denial is also quite offensive. I happen to be a sheep, and I am quite aware thanks. Gross generalisations make excellent over-simplified analogy though I suppose.

James.

Trying not to get off topic, but for the first time I read the sheepdog reference , then the BIO on LT. COL. DAVE GROSSMAN, U.S. Army (Ret.) . I have seen his book (On Killing) on many desks throughout my career. By his own words, he starts his own military career ( Airborne Ranger infantry officer) in 1975, the year the Vietnam War ended & ends the military in 1998. There is no mention of a tour in Iraq or any other war zone. There is an extensive tour in the military academy as a professor & many honorary memberships in clubs.
My point, how much killing has this man done? Can he recount times he has been a "sheepdog" and saved lives? If any member has read his book, "On Killing", does he give first hand accounts of his actions?
It's possible that his writings and lectures have helped people overcome their fears & doubts, enabling them to survive tested moments in their lives; I'm just not sold on Col. Grossman. No disrespect is meant to Col. Grossman, but I get my teaching from men that I know have gone down range, my grandfather, my father, step father and my young brother (still serving after 23 years) and a total of about 4 of my work colleagues over the years, none of which wrote a book.

James, as for your statement, "I can see how this would be a great analogy for Americans, but holds very little relevancy for me in Australia, for example. " I'm not sure that I understand what you are trying to say. Americans are no different than Australians, we are all humans with the same feelings of good & bad. We all have the ability to react to threats, some of us react,,some of us hesitate,,,some of us never see the threat, thus never getting the chance to do either.

ramble over.....

Originally Posted by Hirlau

James, as for your statement, "I can see how this would be a great analogy for Americans, but holds very little relevancy for me in Australia, for example. " I'm not sure that I understand what you are trying to say. Americans are no different than Australians, we are all humans with the same feelings of good & bad. We all have the ability to react to threats, some of us react,,some of us hesitate,,,some of us never see the threat, thus never getting the chance to do either.

ramble over.....

Here's a start:

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are a lot of firearm-related deaths in the USA.

There are virtually none in some countries.

Want to guess the difference?