Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I agree 100% - training is vital. So there is mandatory and thorough training for anyone and everyone who wants to own firearms in the US?

James.

Any person who chooses to carry a defensive firearm and neglects to train and mentally prepare themselves to use that firearm is setting themself up for disaster. It is not a prerequisite legally, but the moral responsibility for gun owners to train is so strongly emphasized that it would be difficult to claim ignorance. This is not to say that there are not idiots who arm themselves. We have laws to deal with those individuals as well should they go out and about negligently handling their firearms.

BTW, there are several private organizations that offer excellent firearms and tactics training here in the US. But ultimately the responsibility lies with the individual to practice, practice, practice. Otherwise you are more liability than asset.

Interesting to read the comments on what mandatory training is required in several different countries. I would add that Canada is not much different either. That is to say just a very basic course and nothing further. No, I would not rely on any individual to voluntarily go to the extra effort required, above those very basic courses, to truly become very proficient with all aspects of gun handling. That probably explains why we have quite a few hunters that I would never go into the bush with and can't hit a bull in the butt with a barn door at the best of times. Some do go to the effort but most don't. Sad really.

Bob

Training my butt, it's just a feel good thing. The fact is when "highly trained" LEOs find themselves in a shootout how many bullets are expended hitting the bad guy a couple of times and how many LEOs are killed or wounded in such events. if they can't do it how does someone with some two bit course perform in a panicked situation?

It's one of those situations where unless you are in it you have no idea how it goes down. You may be hoping and preying you would act in a certain way but when it comes down to it it's a test and each individual acts according to his individual gifts he is born with. That's why the military gives medals and often times the heroes, are guys, just by looking at you would never think they did the things they did.

To answer the OP's question............

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I agree 100% - training is vital. So there is mandatory and thorough training for anyone and everyone who wants to own firearms in the US?

James.

It really depends on the State, you have to understand that each State can enact certain laws, much like each Country can in other parts of the world...

Mostly the places with the Highest crime rates have the strictest laws in the US, and before you say it, No the laws came first

To carry a concealed weapon in general in most places you have to have a Firearms safety course and an FBI background check that usually takes 30 days.. Each state and even each County Sheriff in each state can adjust those laws and requirements.. Since the Supreme court decision that stated the 2nd amendment did mean a private citizen, many places that were in the past "Proof to Carry" now are "Must Issue"... The difference is before you had to have a reason to get a CCW now they have to issue unless there is a reason...

To hunt in most states takes a Safety Class also, and many of the popular hunting states have pretty strict laws.. Most states have arms limitations also to hunt, here in Idaho and in Colorado you could not use an AR-15 for big game, even if you wanted to, and if yer hunting small game with it most States have a 5 shot max rule for the Mags, not that you can have 5 rnds in a 20/30 rnd mag, you have to have a special 5 rnd Mag to hunt...

What I am eluding to is there are so many freaking gun laws in the US it is mind boggling, at the Columbine shooting IIRC they broke almost 30 gun laws before a trigger was pulled...
This is why so many of us are against more laws, and why we say that they do not stop anyone but those that obey the laws anyway...

Unless you release the Nanobots that can destroy all guns at the same time, any more laws are useless...


Edit: For hunting even the rounds that you are shooting are covered by laws, ie: most states require expanding bullets, of a certain minimum muzzle velocity or perhaps No Lead for Water Fowl...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

It really depends on the State, you have to understand that each State can enact certain laws, much like each Country can in other parts of the world...

Mostly the places with the Highest crime rates have the strictest laws in the US, and before you say it, No the laws came first

To carry a concealed weapon in general in most places you have to have a Firearms safety course and an FBI background check that usually takes 30 days.. Each state and even each County Sheriff in each state can adjust those laws and requirements.. Since the Supreme court decision that stated the 2nd amendment did mean a private citizen, many places that were in the past "Proof to Carry" now are "Must Issue"... The difference is before you had to have a reason to get a CCW now they have to issue unless there is a reason...

To hunt in most states takes a Safety Class also, and many of the popular hunting states have pretty strict laws.. Most states have arms limitations also to hunt, here in Idaho and in Colorado you could not use an AR-15 for big game, even if you wanted to, and if yer hunting small game with it most States have a 5 shot max rule for the Mags, not that you can have 5 rnds in a 20/30 rnd mag, you have to have a special 5 rnd Mag to hunt...

What I am eluding to is there are so many freaking gun laws in the US it is mind boggling, at the Columbine shooting IIRC they broke almost 30 gun laws before a trigger was pulled...
This is why so many of us are against more laws, and why we say that they do not stop anyone but those that obey the laws anyway...

Unless you release the Nanobots that destroy all guns at the same time any more laws are useless...

That was great Glen. Also, when you are hunting, you can only have 3 slugs in a shot gun when hunting. If you do,, you are in trouble...

And, I love how to supreme court can just assume that. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense....

Well, there are highly trained LEO's who have received some very poor training. Law enforcement firearms training has undergone, and is continuing to, change. Doesn't mean that s**t won't still happen, but also doesn't negate the need for good training. Remember - we fight how we train. Same goes for civilians.

Originally Posted by donv

I'm getting too wound up, it's lunch time. I need to go eat and get away from this board for a while.

I found some meat in the freezer, not sure what it is, Elk, maybe. Or I could go with some wild boar sausage over rice? Anyway, catch ya later, donv

Gee Don...here I was trying to stay outta this thread anymore and being quite content lurking...and then you gotta go and mention boar sausage over rice....now I gotta go eat something......sheesh ! Carry on with the ranting fellas !

Originally Posted by UKRob

If you were in Dublin and thought you were in the UK it's no wonder someone had to point you in the right direction - Dublin is in Ireland which is a separate country. The real point however, is that there was little risk of you being shot in Dublin, or London or any other European capital. Can you say the same about the down town areas of major US cities? This is a genuine question - I don't presume to know the answer.

Pardon me, I tend to forget that the IRISH are looked down upon by some circles in the UK. However you were correct about not being in the UK on that particular visit.

Have you ever been robbed? Have you ever been beaten senseless? How about stabbed? I can answer yes to all three. I've been shot at as well and hit by pieces of bullets splattering off hard objects in my general vicinity. Where I'm going with this is that are many other ways than being shot to get badly hurt by people with less than honorable intentions.

I can take you to a LOT of cities in the US where you would be as safe as if you were in your mother's arms. I can take you to other cities where you would be taking your life in your hands. The MOSt interesting part is that the safest cities are the ones in which it is legal to carry a pistol. Whether you choose to or not, those with bad intentions have to wonder and as most of those that would be less than honorable are pretty much cowards, they have a tendency to gravitate to places where they KNOW they have the upper hand against an unarmed, law abiding, citizen.

Now that I've had my say, I do not care for the tone with which you addressed my post, particularly this remark.

Originally Posted by UKRob

If you were in Dublin and thought you were in the UK it's no wonder someone had to point you in the right direction

I've done my best to answer your query and have no intention of expressing my displeasure to any moderator.

Have a nice day.

Don't try to argue with that! Wullie is a true Texan!!!!!