Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by HamburgO

SRH - If this what you were taught in MA training, you were taught wrong. Take it from me, a certified NRA and combatives instructor with 25 years of experience in the martial arts, mostly in Filipino edged weapon styles: At close quarters a blade is far more daunting to deal with, devastating and deadly than a handgun. If you want to experience that for yourself, seek out something like Escrima, Kali, AMOK! or FAST Defense in your area...

I think you should do what your heart tells you, and stay in the UK. It'll be better for everyone involved, especially you!

The postscript there is in the hands of a highly trained fighter.

The fact is if you encounter a knifefighter and you have a firearm holstered and you are within 20 feet or so and he charges you either you turn and run or you are dead. That has been studied for years. It's physically impossible to clear your weapon in time unless your attacker is disabled and can't run or you have some radical custom holster and are highly trained in it's use.

There is a famous LAPD training video which is standard fare for LEO training to convince guys how deadly a knife is in the right hands. They send these guys in to a warehouse and are told there is a bad guy in there armed with a knife. They have their sidearms. In every case the bad guy disarms and kills the officer even when these guys go in 2 or 3 times. What they didn't tell the officers is the bad guy is like the number 2 rated knifefighter in the world and is the guy who trains actors in the movies (I think he recently died). he was armed with a butterfly knife and in the video even though the officers have their guns out and on him and he is prone on the floor he moves so fast you almost can't see him move.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The postscript there is in the hands of a highly trained fighter.

The fact is if you encounter a knifefighter and you have a firearm holstered and you are within 20 feet or so and he charges you either you turn and run or you are dead. That has been studied for years. It's physically impossible to clear your weapon in time unless your attacker is disabled and can't run or you have some radical custom holster and are highly trained in it's use.

There is a famous LAPD training video which is standard fare for LEO training to convince guys how deadly a knife is in the right hands. They send these guys in to a warehouse and are told there is a bad guy in there armed with a knife. They have their sidearms. In every case the bad guy disarms and kills the officer even when these guys go in 2 or 3 times. What they didn't tell the officers is the bad guy is like the number 2 rated knifefighter in the world and is the guy who trains actors in the movies (I think he recently died). he was armed with a butterfly knife and in the video even though the officers have their guns out and on him and he is prone on the floor he moves so fast you almost can't see him move.

True. Even an attacker with fatal GSWs may have enough adrenaline, drugs, momentum, etc. to quickly close the distance and kill you with a knife.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The postscript there is in the hands of a highly trained fighter.

The fact is if you encounter a knifefighter and you have a firearm holstered and you are within 20 feet or so and he charges you either you turn and run or you are dead. That has been studied for years. It's physically impossible to clear your weapon in time unless your attacker is disabled and can't run or you have some radical custom holster and are highly trained in it's use.

There is a famous LAPD training video which is standard fare for LEO training to convince guys how deadly a knife is in the right hands. They send these guys in to a warehouse and are told there is a bad guy in there armed with a knife. They have their sidearms. In every case the bad guy disarms and kills the officer even when these guys go in 2 or 3 times. What they didn't tell the officers is the bad guy is like the number 2 rated knifefighter in the world and is the guy who trains actors in the movies (I think he recently died). he was armed with a butterfly knife and in the video even though the officers have their guns out and on him and he is prone on the floor he moves so fast you almost can't see him move.

I know that video, still have a copy of it. It's called "Surviving Edged Weapons", is an astoundingly good production for the time, and makes for excellent training material. There are some excerpts up on YouTube. The "bad guy" in the part you mention is played by Guro Dan Inosanto, who is now 76, still alive, well and teaching.

Originally Posted by HamburgO

I know that video, still have a copy of it. It's called "Surviving Edged Weapons", is an astoundingly good production for the time, and makes for excellent training material. There are some excerpts up on YouTube. The "bad guy" in the part you mention is played by Guro Dan Inosanto, who is now 76, still alive, well and teaching.

I have seen it and lived it. Kind of like taking a knife to a gunfight. Pull it, use it. I have been convinced of this. If anyone pulls, consider it used and act fast. Use your weapon now. People who think folks lay down as a gun is pulled and threats made are seriously mistaken. Threats are threats and action is action. Survival! JMHO

Originally Posted by sharptonn

I have seen it and lived it. Kind of like taking a knife to a gunfight. Pull it, use it. I have been convinced of this. If anyone pulls, consider it used and act fast. Use your weapon now. People who think folks lay down as a gun is pulled and threats made are seriously mistaken. Threats are threats and action is action. Survival! JMHO

Been there and done that myself. IN HOUSTON as a matter of fact. My deal turned out HILARIOUS but the clown with the knife wasn't loaded all that tight. He folded up like a cheap suit when dawned on his addled brain that he'd brought a knife to a gun fight. He announced that his intent was to relieve me of my money and valuables. He ended up getting his only visible means of support removed.

I took his knife since he didn't have any money.

Tom, that happened at the old Eagle Grocery warehouse and I'll be damned if I can remember where it is or if it is anymore. That was in the late 70's and I've been a few million miles and slept a time or three since then.