Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

One law would reduce gun crime if it was enforced properly "It is now illegal to own a gun". PERIOD. Well actually theoretically this isn't true, initially it would increase gun crime because people would be arrested for flouting the new law. After this initial increase, a couple of decades later (yes sometimes laws are implimented to make the future a better place), your gun crime stats would look like ours here in the UK. We have illegal weapons on the streets, but there are very few (relative to the population) and the deaths as a result of these weapons is minimal.

Actually if you take the time to look at your Crime rates you will see that your's haven't changed hardly at all, either up or down before, during or after your Gun Grabbing Laws went into effect... Your gun crimes really haven't changed up or down either...

Pretty much Jolly ole England didn't have much gun crime before or after the Gun Ban took effect...


Darn those facts getting in the way again


edit: I take that back the lowest year on record I see for gun crime, was 1992 before the Gun Grabbing of 1998

As I explained earlier you will see an immediate increase in "crime rates" because possession is now a crime, as you can see in the graph presented by the BBC it is now starting to fall again.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Actually if you take the time to look at your Crime rates you will see that your's haven't changed hardly at all, either up or down before, during or after your Gun Grabbing Laws went into effect... Your gun crimes really haven't changed up or down either...

Pretty much Jolly ole England didn't have much gun crime before or after the Gun Ban took effect...


Darn those facts getting in the way again


edit: I take that back the lowest year on record I see for gun crime, was 1992 before the Gun Grabbing of 1998

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

As I explained earlier you will see an immediate increase in "crime rates" because possession is now a crime, as you can see in the graph presented by the BBC it is now starting to fall again.

Hmmm perhaps it wasn't clear your Crime rates DID NOT change Before, During, or After, according to your crime stats issued by your Police.. They was no uptick or decrease your Crime and Gun Crime rates are pretty darn steady and have been since 1993... The lowest year on record that I saw was 1992

What this shows is that your repressive gun laws were a feel good placebo for the Politicians and did nothing to lower crime, you had a low crime rate to begin with and it is still low

BTW I check Police, FBI, Interpol, etc: stats I simply do not trust any Media source not even the NRA or RKBA

Those results from the BBC are correct, they were published by the Home office, and the BBC can't be biased. They are a state funded organization (kind of) and it's be honest or be bust. God that makes us sound like a bunch of commies.

I beleive you have seen those stats though, what do you think that means? It's hard to say that it means weapons are good or bad, it could comment on the soceity involved. It could mean that weapon availability makes no difference, supporting a lot of the arguments in this thread ... it could also mean we didn't have many weapons in the first place. Interesting.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Hmmm perhaps it wasn't clear your Crime rates DID NOT change Before, During, or After, according to your crime stats issued by your Police.. They was no uptick or decrease your Crime and Gun Crime rates are pretty darn steady and have been since 1993...

BTW I check Police, FBI, Interpol, etc: stats I simply do not trust any Media source not even the NRA or RKBA

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Those results from the BBC are correct, they were published by the Home office, and the BBC can't be biased. They are a state funded organization (kind of) and it's be honest or be bust. God that makes us sound like a bunch of commies.

I beleive you have seen those stats though, what do you think that means? It's hard to say that it means weapons are good or bad, it could comment on the soceity involved. It could mean that weapon availability makes no difference, supporting a lot of the arguments in this thread ... it could also mean we didn't have many weapons in the first place. Interesting.

Pretty much England had and continues to have a low crime rate, nothing wrong there, except when you try and attribute it to your Gun Laws, as that just isn't the truth.
I find your complete faith in a state sponsered Media outlet somehow unsettling in this day and age, sorry it just feels Fahrenheit 451 ish to me honestly kinda gives me the Heebie Jeebies

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Pretty much England had and continues to have a low crime rate, nothing wrong there, except when you try and attribute it to your Gun Laws, as that just isn't the truth.

I am sat here, thinking ... AMERICA NEEDS MORE TEA! I can't help myself sorry lol.
Having been to USA, being about to marry an American, and having american friends, and living in what some would call "the hood" in the USA. I don't see why
the crime rates are so different. I mean you guys have an attitude that differs from Brits, not bad (I actually like it), bolder, but not murderous or anything that I think would cause a huge discrepency in crime rates. Do you have any ideas on why those rates are so different. It is easy for somebody from a gun prohibition state to say it's guns. It's also easy to say it isn't guns. I just wonder what you think the reason is?

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

I just wonder what you think the reason is?

To me that is the heart of this problem. Not gun ownership per se. What makes some people choose violence when some other do not. No matter if you are a good guy or bad guy.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

I just wonder what you think the reason is?

And there in lies the true problem with the USA...

I and most every American could tell you exactly what the problem is but the answer would not be PC and therefore we are not allowed to bring it up over here.. Our Politicains can't fix what they can't talk about...

The only PC answer I can give is that our problem like many other countries starts in the breakdown of the "Nuclear Family" ie: A parent at home raising the kids while the other parent provides...

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

I am sat here, thinking ... AMERICA NEEDS MORE TEA! I can't help myself sorry lol.
Having been to USA, being about to marry an American, and having american friends, and living in what some would call "the hood" in the USA. I don't see why
the crime rates are so different. I mean you guys have an attitude that differs from Brits, not bad (I actually like it), bolder, but not murderous or anything that I think would cause a huge discrepency in crime rates. Do you have any ideas on why those rates are so different. It is easy for somebody from a gun prohibition state to say it's guns. It's also easy to say it isn't guns. I just wonder what you think the reason is?

The reasons seem easy and obvious to me. "According to the University of Leiden study on violence, Australia and Britain have the highest levels of violence in the western world. The US isn't even in the top 10." IIRC, the study was commissioned by two west European governments (maybe Netherlands and Finland). Gun shootings are going to be higher in the U.S. because we are allowed to shoot someone trying to hurt us. If I lived across the pond, I'd probably wear running shoes all the time.

Levels of violence from all sources? It is lower in the U.S.; probably because we often tend to carry a gun. Criminals probably hate any potential victim who turns out to be armed. Why are the levels of violence higher in the U.K. and Australia? Because of the stringent gun laws. The British crook knows that his law-abiding victim is highly unlikely to have a gun; or a knife of any size and effectiveness.

The knife laws are so stringent and silly, much like their gun laws, that some U.K. forums forbid any post from even mentioning them.

Lets give England and Australia mandatory handgun carry requirements for non-objecting adults; and institute Kennesaw, GA style home ownership laws. I'd bet the high levels of illegal violence drops like a rock in the first 3 months. Especially in the big cities with the highest rates.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Pretty much England had and continues to have a low crime rate, nothing wrong there, except when you try and attribute it to your Gun Laws, as that just isn't the truth.
I find your complete faith in a state sponsered Media outlet somehow unsettling in this day and age, sorry it just feels Fahrenheit 451 ish to me honestly kinda gives me the Heebie Jeebies

Like most countries, the UK has a much lower rate in gun violence than the US, but note that the overall (violent and non-violent) crime rate per capita is actually a bit higher in the UK - 85 per 1000, vs. 80 per 1000.

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...7_Firearms_Act)