Thread: The Nanny State

Originally Posted by BobH

David

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind capitalism at all, but globalization is a particularly unsavory and virulent form of capitalism run completely a muck. People still think in terms of nations and what is good for their nation while corporation have not thought this way in a long while. They owe allegiance to themselves alone and the bottom line exclusively. You could possibly even say that there is a defacto form of world government and it is not elected by anyone. The Libor scandal got about 2 days worth of air time here and then just disappeared. If you ever get around to writing that book it is going to be pretty thick or multiple volumes.

Bob

Just to be clear - I am a HUGE fan of capitalism... just not at the expense of knowledge or democracy is all.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Aw stop yer bellyaching. There's plenty of opportunity at Mc Donalds and yer local landscaping outfit and the good old U.S Army.

And remember, crime pays.

Nelson keep it between you and me but they're slowly off shoring the moderator jobs on the shaving forums .... is anyone safe ?

Originally Posted by earcutter

Just to be clear - I am a HUGE fan of capitalism... just not at the expense of knowledge or democracy is all.

Yea, we are on the same page on that.

Bob

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

Now let me see if I understand this. It's OK for a woman to kill an unwanted child and anyone who says otherwise is a right wing nut job but somehow it's the government's place to make sure that said woman is breast feeding any children she allows to live.

Did you really just compare an educational initiative to abortion?

I'm OK with educational initiatives if the target audience is allowed to make their own decision in the matter. That is clearly not what's happening here, hospitals are being instructed to not provide formula to any babies unless there's a valid medical reason that the woman cannot breastfeed. Abortion came up just because I find a ridiculous irony that the extremist pro-choicers like Bloomberg and his ilk are all about a woman's choice to manage her own reproductive system but insist on owning and managing the baby feeders.

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

I'm OK with educational initiatives if the target audience is allowed to make their own decision in the matter. That is clearly not what's happening here, hospitals are being instructed to not provide formula to any babies unless there's a valid medical reason that the woman cannot breastfeed. Abortion came up just because I find a ridiculous irony that the extremist pro-choicers like Bloomberg and his ilk are all about a woman's choice to manage her own reproductive system but insist on owning and managing the baby feeders.

It truly is ironical, verging on the absurd!

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

I'm OK with educational initiatives if the target audience is allowed to make their own decision in the matter. That is clearly not what's happening here, hospitals are being instructed to not provide formula to any babies unless there's a valid medical reason that the woman cannot breastfeed. Abortion came up just because I find a ridiculous irony that the extremist pro-choicers like Bloomberg and his ilk are all about a woman's choice to manage her own reproductive system but insist on owning and managing the baby feeders.

I got a different story on Fox. They said the formula was to be locked up like prescription medicine and would not be provided until the woman got a breast feeding lecture.

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

I'm OK with educational initiatives if the target audience is allowed to make their own decision in the matter. That is clearly not what's happening here

From the article you posted: mothers who insist on bottle-feeding will still be able to do so. [this was referring to formula]

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

hospitals are being instructed to not provide formula to any babies unless there's a valid medical reason that the woman cannot breastfeed.

The initiative is voluntary and the hospitals opt-in. From the initiative: enforcing NYS hospital regulation to not supplement breastfeeding infants with formula feedings unless medically indicated. If the mother chooses to feed formula entirely then they do not need to provide medical reasoning.

You might want to read up on the actual intiative and note that it's pretty much in-line with the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes adopted by the WHO in '81.

Right now the formula companies give hospitals freebies and then what is a mother to do when that free formula is done and their own milk has subsided? That type of marketing seems much more shady than education with supporting data.

Originally Posted by commiecat

From the article you posted: mothers who insist on bottle-feeding will still be able to do so. [this was referring to formula]



The initiative is voluntary and the hospitals opt-in. From the initiative: enforcing NYS hospital regulation to not supplement breastfeeding infants with formula feedings unless medically indicated. If the mother chooses to feed formula entirely then they do not need to provide medical reasoning.

You might want to read up on the actual intiative and note that it's pretty much in-line with the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes adopted by the WHO in '81.

Right now the formula companies give hospitals freebies and then what is a mother to do when that free formula is done and their own milk has subsided? That type of marketing seems much more shady than education with supporting data.

I admit you're spot-on as to the facts, however, admittedly emotionally, I have to say: I'm really sick of Bloomberg's city administration pushing its various agendas by putting these various laws, ordinances and regulations on the board. Mothers, smokers, eaters, drinkers, drivers, gun-owners in NYC don't get to think for themselves and make rational or irrational decisions anymore - its all controlled by Mikey and The Gang. I really don't care about the rationale behind the regulation - this is not a good thing for a free people, and all too reminiscent of fascist governments throughout history.

I wish I had a nanny;
a British Nanny, a German Nanny, a young Russian Nanny, a Columbian Nanny...
Heck,, there have been days that I would have settled for a nanny from New Guinea.