Thread: New Chinese Leadership

Originally Posted by BobH

I vaguely recall western governments trying to lecture China over Tiananmen Square and being told to basically shut the front door if they wanted to do business in China. The human rights thing did not take long to died down after that. It is still raised from time to time more for western domestic consumption that anything else. Justified by the go lightly approach and they will come around when they become capitalists allowing business as usual. Looks like it is working out.

Bob

Not that I am a fan of the Castro regime, because I am not. But the fact that we won't normalize trade with Cuba because they are a communist country but we'll do biz with China, Viet Nam ...... talk about hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Not that I am a fan of the Castro regime, because I am not. But the fact that we won't normalize trade with Cuba because they are a communist country but we'll do biz with China, Viet Nam ...... talk about hypocrisy.

Jim.read the communistic societys of the united states,The mennonites,Quakers,Mormons,are all communists,is alot of good in communism.

Pixel,
Are you hittin that Egg Nog early?

Originally Posted by Hirlau

Pixel,
Are you hittin that Egg Nog early?

Nope.just sayin,read the book,true communism,pure communism,is a wonderfull thing,JMO.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Nope.just sayin,read the book,true communism,pure communism,is a wonderfull thing,JMO.

It is also completely imaginary, and against human nature IMO. On the other hand, same can be said about Ayn Rand's philosophy by the way.

Todays human nature,in todays society no longer exsists as was orig intended.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Todays human nature,in todays society no longer exsists as was orig intended.

I disagree. If you ask me, there never was an original intention. Our trump card seems to have been our flexible adaptability from the start, although you could say that we are best adapted to a hunter-gatherer existence (that was the 'general state' we were in the longest). That is no glamorous society though. Hunter-gatherer societies often wage brutal warfare against each other, and an average person does not live very long.

have nt read all the tread so if this has been touched upon forgive me.

To those that say the big difference between us and them is the fact that plans are laid out years ahead and we just look to the next day . yes this is true. The big thing with XI is his stated commitment to root out corruption in the party. what makes this so important is two fold, one is that the leader even admitted to their being any corruption in the first place and second is this acknowledgement is a nod to the power of the people the GOV has no choice any longer but to publicly address the issue..

Another key point to look at is his statement about the People being important and his goal of improving life even more for the common man and doubling salaries for everyone to help increase the quality of life Ie. consumerism.

so while there will be no major shifts in power or sharing of power with any new parties its hardly a return to hard line maoisim . though they are being dicks to japan as usual.

Shayne

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Not that I am a fan of the Castro regime, because I am not. But the fact that we won't normalize trade with Cuba because they are a communist country but we'll do biz with China, Viet Nam ...... talk about hypocrisy.

Well, if you pull the covers back far enough you might find that American companies are doing business in Cuba through the back door. Plenty of western countries do business with Cuba and it is not too much of a stretch of the imagination that things are done through third parties. Again not normalizing trade with Cuba could be mostly for domestic consumption. This may or may not be the case but life has taught me to be a cynic and a lot of things are just smoke and mirrors.

Bob

My thoughts:

So Bruno mentioned that China thinks long-term where the "West" doesn't. You know what - I'll agree. Moreover, right now I would say there might actually be a kind of quiet understanding amongst Chinese that they are going to dominate.

But China is changing rapidly. And I honestly don't know how long the mindset will last. Moreover, I don't know if the externalities of a nation with so many people moving into the first world is going to allow the "normal" progression we have seen in the past. The shear amount of pollution created may and hopefully will, create new ways of thinking.

Never mind the issue of so many of its male citizens who will need to find females in other nations if they intend to procreate. The difference in genders is and will be even more staggering in the future than it is now. It's going to force Chinese to "branch out."

That's all to say that with respect to government, I think that right now - this time around, sure maybe the old status quo will work - but I highly doubt it will work next go. Just saying.

As for China allowing US firms the right to do as they wish if they look the other way with respect to human rights - that's not completely true. As an example (and something I know will kill Glen and his views on tariffs lol), if GM want's to make a car in China fine. The company is not allowed to import them. Moreover, GM has to build the plant, share the R&D AND give a % of the plant to the government. It's lop-sided and the reason they are getting all our technology. We are giving it to them! But I guess we have to - what a market! We want in! It's going to suck when the Chinese finally learn enough and don't need us anymore...