Separation of Church and...

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Originally Posted by maddafinga

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Damn phone internet.... Try this

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Originally Posted by Cangooner

You're missing the point. The governor *explicitly* linked social ills to the need to repent. That is a de facto indictment of everyone who does not share his own particular faith. That, in an elected official, is intolerable.

But, hey, it's nice to already have all the answers. Or at least I'm assuming you feel you have all the answers if you are unwilling to participate in a discussion. I remain genuinely curious as to the evidence for the school stories. And now I am even more curious to learn how exactly a prophet/messiah/son of God/long-haired, radical, socialist Jew (take your pick) from 2000 years ago would provide the solutions to the issues and concerns of the 21st century.

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The first statement reminds me of "I am Henry VIII I am, Henry VIII I am I am..."
With the second, all I hear are crickets...

This whole discussion reminds me of the old joke about Joseph's statement to Jesus:
"You just better be the son of god, little man!" :roflmao

Or Joseph's co-workers comments on "Immaculate Conception:"
"Hey, Joseph, how's the son of god?" :rofl2:

Now, I'm not saying Mary was easy, or that Joseph was stupid/gullible, but come on!!!

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Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

debay --
"I would much rather have a political figure in office that promotes a solid christian lifestyle than one that doesnt. After all, most of our forefathers did."

And I'd much rather be on a planet populated by non-religious types who never demonstrate their stupidity to the rest of us by professing to "know" the unknown and the unknowable.
You want to believe, fine. Great. More power to you. Have at it. Jesus, Mohammed, Ahura Mazda, Rev. Sun Yung Moon, Jim Jones and Buddha will surely offer a toast to you with a six-pack. IMO we'd be much better off without the baloney religious claptrap. I saw and heard waaaaaayyy too much of it.
"May The Force Be With You."

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So are you saying that anyone who has any faith or religious belief is stupid? Don't get me wrong, I don't like people preaching their beliefs and stating that mine are wrong, the same as I don't go around preaching mine. But is that really any different than saying that because someone believes in a higher power that they're stupid?

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Originally Posted by Catrentshaving

Don't get me wrong, I don't like people preaching their beliefs and stating that mine are wrong....

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Hmmm, cause that never happens.... :w :roflmao

Well Gent's I guess I should have kind of figured that the whole, "is god real" debate would come up and frankly - I am not sure that's going to take us anyplace other than one of those I feel - you prove - I can't prove - hence your feelings are dumb kind of things... Which will only hurt the whole forum as a whole me thinks.

Having faith is great, and not having it is great too. Debating if faith has a place in government institutions is a good thing, but debating if having any or none I have found - never gets us anyplace other than bolstering one's view.

Scandal! Govenors Jim McGreavey, Eliot Spitzer, Mark Sanford, and now Sam Brownback!

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Originally Posted by earcutter

Well Gent's I guess I should have kind of figured that the whole, "is god real" debate would come up and frankly - I am not sure that's going to take us anyplace other than one of those I feel - you prove - I can't prove - hence your feelings are dumb kind of things... Which will only hurt the whole forum as a whole me thinks.

Having faith is great, and not having it is great too. Debating if faith has a place in government institutions is a good thing, but debating if having any or none I have found - never gets us anyplace other than bolstering one's view.

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Just that whole little thing about "Inalienable rights" is dependent upon a higher power. If there is no higher power, then where'd those so called inalienable rights come from? Who or what gave them to you? And if they didn't come from a higher power, then they aren't really inalienable, are they.

Sure they are.