Thread: Separation of Church and...

Yep, there's supposed to be separation of church and state, but my Governor... Well my Governor is doing all kinds of dumb things; but now he's spewing this!

Kansas Governor Declares Saturday a Day of Collective Repentance to God

I feel like throwing up.

Talk about government waste, David. I feel for ya, bro.

I believe in separation of church and state, but I wanted to vomit after reading some of the vile crap posted as comments in the link, but then I noticed the link is an atheist website and then it all made sense. We have not had a "good bashing of religion" thread in sometime here on SRP. This should get interesting. Just remember, God loves atheists, even if they don't love him.

Oh boy, glad it is not happening here - yet anyway. You know I like my religion or lack of it but am not determined to make others conform to it. Reminds me too much of Islamic states and how things are run there.

Bob

David, I write this with all my heart: WTF IS WRONG WITH KANSAS?!?!?! Get out whilst thou may!!!

Funny, I was talking to Mr L the other day and he was remarking with all the sin in the world these folks are like the U.S Govt trying to erase the deficit by having a bake sale. Besides, he says these fiscal woes are his doing. It's the easiest way for him to get new recruits he's ever come up with. When they say they are spending money like hell, well...

It's funny sometimes when you post, you forget that the people reading have no idea who you are, and those assumptions you hold dear don't necessarily travel through space all that well:


I am not opposed to people who have faith. I am jealous really.

Where a person finds their moral compass is their business.

I can't stand being preached to. Especially by the likes of an immoral SOB like Brownback.


For what it's worth, I didn't read the comments as the liberal left who are the minority in Kansas, who generally feel attacked by religion on a daily basis, are a rather rude bunch. I don't recommend you read them either.

I am simply disgusted he - the governor of Kansas - feels the right to promote on a personal level no less, a Christian ideal that is relatively narrow to a State that see's many a religion represented, and then uses the founding fathers to legitimize it.

In the United States no less!!

Well..I guess I'm opening myself up here. I don't see anything wrong with asking people to congregate at a specified time for religious fellowship, regardless of a persons station or history.

I didn't feel "preached to" when I watched the video.

No state resources were used in the making of the film..at least that's what it said.

Citing past Presidents belief in a higher power, didn't give me the impression that he was "using" them to legitimize his request.

Being invited to Church by someone on TV, is a lot less intrusive than the holy rollers that used to come banging on my barracks door every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning to tell me they'd love to have me come so I don't go to Hell. That's no exaggeration btw. I was informed on at least three separate occassions that I would burn in hell if I didn't go to church. Certainly a comforting thought for a soldier in heavy combat rotations.

Point is: If an invitation to religious fellowship is truly an issue for the majority, I feel bad for the majority. When people invite me to Church, I generally feel pretty good about it. I don't go. But I still think it's nice to be asked. Unless "hellfire" happens to be the reason I should go. In which case, I've been known to school a missionary or two...

Originally Posted by regularjoe

Well..I guess I'm opening myself up here. I don't see anything wrong with asking people to congregate at a specified time for religious fellowship, regardless of a persons station or history.

I didn't feel "preached to" when I watched the video.

No state resources were used in the making of the film..at least that's what it said.

Citing past Presidents belief in a higher power, didn't give me the impression that he was "using" them to legitimize his request.

Being invited to Church by someone on TV, is a lot less intrusive than the holy rollers that used to come banging on my barracks door every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning to tell me they'd love to have me come so I don't go to Hell. That's no exaggeration btw. I was informed on at least three separate occassions that I would burn in hell if I didn't go to church. Certainly a comforting thought for a soldier in heavy combat rotations.

Point is: If an invitation to religious fellowship is truly an issue for the majority, I feel bad for the majority. When people invite me to Church, I generally feel pretty good about it. I don't go. But I still think it's nice to be asked. Unless "hellfire" happens to be the reason I should go. In which case, I've been known to school a missionary or two...

I feel you Joe but the point is who is inviting in this case. And in this case it's a State Governor. A man who represents all.

For those who see this as an appropriate role for a state Governor to be assuming (i.e. the promotion of a faith community gathering ostensibly for the purpose of curing society's ills) would you feel the same if he was of another faith?

If Governor Brownback called you to join him and the Imam of Topeka as he preaches Jihad against society's ills (remember Jihad is a very broadly-defined term that can represent struggle of all kinds, not just an armed struggle) would you still think it a good thing? Perhaps you would, inch'Allah.

If Governor Brownback called you to join him at the Topeka Temple in meditating on the wisdom of the Buddha, the impermanence and suffering of the material world, the absence of God, the Eight Fold Path, and how society can cure its ills by rejecting materialism and seeking enlightenment and the cessation of the cycle of rebirth, would you still think it a good thing? Perhaps you would.

If Governor Brownback called you to join him and his fellow Pastafarians in repentance to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for the purpose of curing society's ills, would you still think it a good thing?

Do you believe that his doing this is good because it engages peoples' spirituality, or because it is a Christian message? Or more specifically a message tailored to a very specific subset of those in the world who would call themselves Christian?

My opinion ultimately counts for nothing in this as I am not a resident of Kansas and therefore have no personal stake in this event. But like many others I am instinctively uncomfortable when elected officials who have been elected to serve all members of a particular constituency publicly espouse of favour a particular faith group.