Thread: Separation of Church and...

Originally Posted by debay

Sooooo, If Im Gov of NC and I give my opinion that mint ice cream is nasty and that I prefer orange sherbet, thats technically wrong because now the whole state is somehow "forced" to stand behind my opinion? What if I say as Gov that on the following Sunday I want everyone who agrees with me to have Orange Sherbet ice cream after their sunday meal? oh, heaven forbid I mention Im having mine after a Sunday lunch at CHURCH. Heaven forbid. The only thing that makes this more complicated than ice cream is that religion is such a hot topic. Its actually quite simple if you let it be. This conversation is never going to move forward. You have your opinion, I have mine. I personally believe that christian values in a political figure are nice to have. They are human and subject to corruption like anyone else- they are politicians afterall- but I prefer it. A look at the founding fathers shows that many of them had strong protestant backgrounds and beliefs that they did not hide in their writings or public speakings. Could our government not use a stricter set of morals and guidelines right now? I think we need a whole lot more Jesus than we do insane taxes, corporate backscratching and back room deals. Im cutting off any responses because like I said, its a dead end debate. May God bless you and may your eyes see The Truth before its too late.

Does anyone else remember the hoo-ha when Bush Sr. announced that he hated broccoli? The broccoli industry went crazy!

You're missing the point. The governor *explicitly* linked social ills to the need to repent. That is a de facto indictment of everyone who does not share his own particular faith. That, in an elected official, is intolerable.

But, hey, it's nice to already have all the answers. Or at least I'm assuming you feel you have all the answers if you are unwilling to participate in a discussion. I remain genuinely curious as to the evidence for the school stories. And now I am even more curious to learn how exactly a prophet/messiah/son of God/long-haired, radical, socialist Jew (take your pick) from 2000 years ago would provide the solutions to the issues and concerns of the 21st century. If you find guidance, solace, and strength from your faith, that's fantastic and I sincerely hope that your faith continues to provide that for the rest of your life. But please do not presume that your or any other faith is what I or anyone else (let alone society at large) 'needs'.

Originally Posted by Cangooner

You're missing the point. The governor *explicitly* linked social ills to the need to repent. That is a de facto indictment of everyone who does not share his own particular faith. That, in an elected official, is intolerable.

But, hey, it's nice to already have all the answers. Or at least I'm assuming you feel you have all the answers if you are unwilling to participate in a discussion. I remain genuinely curious as to the evidence for the school stories. And now I am even more curious to learn how exactly a prophet/messiah/son of God/long-haired, radical, socialist Jew (take your pick) from 2000 years ago would provide the solutions to the issues and concerns of the 21st century.

The first statement reminds me of "I am Henry VIII I am, Henry VIII I am I am..."
With the second, all I hear are crickets...

This whole discussion reminds me of the old joke about Joseph's statement to Jesus:
"You just better be the son of god, little man!"

Or Joseph's co-workers comments on "Immaculate Conception:"
"Hey, Joseph, how's the son of god?"

Now, I'm not saying Mary was easy, or that Joseph was stupid/gullible, but come on!!!