Quote Originally Posted by BobH View Post
I think the point Sailor is/was trying to make is that no matter where you happen to live the question that should be foremost is why people they can do these kinds of despicable acts. That has nothing to do with the method of killing. I also think Sailor knows the difference between a right and a privilege by choosing to separate them with an "or" as in innocent or guilty. That makes them two entirely different things.

Not much to understand about Americans right to have guns, it is pretty plain. It is also pretty plain that you have to get past the tunnel vision of concentrating on guns as an issue and get to the root causes of the abuse of that right. We still have trouble with that concept and the the ownership of guns here is a privilege. I would say it being a right or privilege has little bearing on whether people will abuse it.

Bob
Bob, does the society lose the privilege at some time if it's abused? I know that's collective punishment, a bit like taking the TV away from the entire family because one kid is watching too much (poor analogy I know) but where is that line which can be crossed for 'someone' to say "Right, that's it, you can't be trusted any more, give me the guns". I know that's a rather paternal idea, but I'm sort of playing with the idea that I'm the wise old emperor overlord chief type guy. I think if I were such an entity I would have got a bit stern with my stupid citizens by now... :-)