Potential Ban/Brady Bill part deux?

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Originally Posted by scap99

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If you're anything like me, I'm all over their list(s).
Oh well. Being it! Lol

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Yes you are, Comrade.. That's the problem if you allow for your society to go to any extreme, right or left.. Moderate citizens are suddenly watched a heck of a lot more and they make it to various "lists".. Gulags are next.

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Originally Posted by redrover66

Part of the issue with low gun violence is that in a country of people that has existed for thousands of years the population make up is 99.5% Sweeds(sp) or Finn's. Much the same as Japan( with very low gun violence) in being nearly 100% of the original people. You have thousands of years to work for a low violence country. The US is a melting pot, less than 500 years from the beginning, with only a few thousand years more to reach a less violent state.

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What about Switzerland where you have multiple ethnic groups in large numbers and they haven't turned on each other. And if you start saying "bbbut they're all one race", TBS has a good reply to you..

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

That's ridiculous.

Go to any country in Europe with homogeneous populations and you will find the folks there divide themselves up by regions or dialects or the way they speak or dress or a hundred other reasons and have very strong feelings about who is better than another. Humans need no real reason to kill each other. It's the one constant through history.

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Look at the civil wars in ex Yugoslavia. 2 groups of white Christians, speaking the same language, divided themselves along the lines of "Roman Catholics" and "Orthodox Catholics" and went at each other just as hard as they were going at white Muslims speaking the same language.

On a side-note, Serbia is #2 in gun ownership, has twice as many guns per capita sa Canada and a 33% lower homicide rate.. No school shootings yet, but I have to admit that in some Eastern cultures, children are valued more than they are here in North America after the "me me me" Baby Boomers came to power.

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Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

I disagree.. As long as someone is a licensed gun owner, he should have the right to purchase arms without involving the government or the business community.

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That would be great between licensed gun owners, however, the problem, as it is right now, I can sell me legally purchase gun to my neighbor across the street (not a licensed gun owner), and I'm not required to do a back ground check on him. That is a loophole criminals use to obtain guns. I believe this is easily closed by requiring the seller (responsible) to do the same background check as the stores do on you. Double O

Something old has come to light.

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"The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities."
Although the language of the full House Resolution 11654 has been deleted from government websites, it's referenced on the Library Of Congress's page. (*1) It's reported at multiple other websites that the HR (*2),(*3)language is as follows:
"The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army."
"The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy."
"The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights."
While some cite the passage date of HR 11654 as June 28, 1902, others state January 1903.

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It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Originally Posted by Double0757

That would be great between licensed gun owners, however, the problem, as it is right now, I can sell me legally purchase gun to my neighbor across the street (not a licensed gun owner), and I'm not required to do a back ground check on him. That is a loophole criminals use to obtain guns. I believe this is easily closed by requiring the seller (responsible) to do the same background check as the stores do on you. Double O

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We don't have a requirement to inspect another person's gun license or to run a background check - our gangbangers still prefer illegal imports from the US or China. We do it out of social conscience. With that being said, I didn't have to produce my PAL (Possession and Acquisition Licence) to buy my 2nd SKS - it was a straight cash for rifle exchange. I should note down the serial for insurance purposes ;) To quiet the antis, the exchange happened at a members only range and I was shooting the breeze with 2 of the directors so he had a pretty good idea I was licensed to own a firearm. For handguns, SBR's and AR's, the transfer goes through the RCMP (our version of the FBI), so they do a licence validity check. I am against that because in some provinces the process can go for weeks, often over a month. I think it's a couple of weeks in Ontario (that's how long it took for my transfer to be approved while buying from a retailer), about 6 weeks in British Columbia and same or next day in Alberta.

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Originally Posted by Wullie

Been on the phone off and on all day looking for a decent qty of 7.62X51 BALL. It's out there, but prices have DOUBLED in the last week! Stopped by one of the smaller gun shops here in town, ( one that doesn't have a pissy attitude ) and they sold all their AR/AK stuff yesterday. Couldn't let 4 of them out the door because the FBI's lines were tied up and hold times were over an hour!

He mentioned stripped lowers at $550 in Greenville. Bolt carriers for $1K!!

THe perfect storm is brewing pertaining to gun sales with all the BS about THE END OF THE WORLD and the BS spewing from the lefttard media and DC about gun control.

I told one snotty SOB at ELK CASTLE ARMS that they better enjoy what's happening now, because when this blows over, they'll be begging all the folks they've pissed off to come back to give 'em another chance. Same with CHEAPER THAN DIRTBAGS.

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FYI...
I just bought some 7.62x51 from Ammunition to Go. Priced about 37per hundred.

They still have some, but 5.56 is either nonexistent or $1+ a round...As Mike Tyson would say, "this is ludicrous."

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Originally Posted by jmcamp54

FYI...
I just bought some 7.62x51 from Ammunition to Go. Priced about 37per hundred.

They still have some, but 5.56 is either nonexistent or $1+ a round...As Mike Tyson would say, "this is ludicrous."

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I should drive out there. Afraid I might go nuts though. ;)

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Originally Posted by jmcamp54

FYI...
I just bought some 7.62x51 from Ammunition to Go. Priced about 37per hundred.

They still have some, but 5.56 is either nonexistent or $1+ a round...As Mike Tyson would say, "this is ludicrous."

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Steel case, Berdan primed? Or good reloadable stuff?

Nothing like that listed on their website. Cheapest I saw was about $37 for 50.

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Originally Posted by shooter74743

Could be a "maybe", hopefully it won't make it...but I've got "Bessie" fueled up and ready to go for our Christmas dinner at my sisters...AWD Surburban does well on the roads.

Turn your phone off until after dinner, you deserve it as does your family.

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Made it to Vashti through the blizzard. It was rain in Ft Worth, and the snow started about 30 miles North. Jacksboro was getting hammered pretty hard when we went through there. TxDOT was out in force, ( for Jack County anyway LOL)

Got up to my sister's place and was halfway through my first Glenlivet when the boss called and wanted to know if I was in town. Told him I was over a 100 miles from there and the Scotch was way too good. He laughed and told me to enjoy myself. They handled it without me this go around. :) About time for some of the young blood to step up to the plate and make a hand. ;)

The wife's little Nissan Juke got around great and it's the front wheel drive model. Only problem I had was when some idiot in a dually was being too careful and going too slow to get up a hill. Had to wait until he spun out and slipped out of the way so I could go up the hill. Slipped the tires a bit getting started but it got a grip and went on. More aggravating than anything. Saw a few clowns in the ditches but most everybody was minding their manners.

Gents,
I am not sure that fire arms are the main issue here, I have asked the question of a few shooting mates of mine in the US as to why you have school shootings. We have not had them here Down Under as yet, we have a population of about 22 million, of which a million of us have firearms, so we have a pretty good ratio of ownership close to you guys. We do have pretty thorough background checks done when you first get licenced, and you have to provide a "valid " reason for requiring a firearm. There is also a pretty stringent gun safe requirement re storage. As a shooter I feel like most of my shooting brothers that the Govt is only a hairs breadth away from disarming us, as ownership here is a privilege not a right.
For all our restrictions, there is still no certainty we will not have a shooting incident at a school at some time.
My question is about how does American society deal with its mentally unstable individuals?
Our own government pretty much ignores mental health, I guess because at this stage the cure rate is pretty low and it will be years before some of the major mental illnesses can be cured or managed properly. Hence we would like to ignore it as it may have no short term political gain.
I see the shooting of some firemen latterly by a nut job recently let out of Gaol, how did he aquire arms? No garantee an Aussie style arms control legistaltion would have stopped that, has you can get them on the black market.
Sorry you blokes, you are in for a rough ride, and really sorry for the families and victims of these latest shootings


Best wishes

heelerau

The nut jobs are pretty much left to their own devices UNTIL they hurt themselves or someone else.

As for the ex-con getting a gun. Hell, he probably just went out and bought it. For a long time that stupid paperwork that had to be filled out and signed was never checked. Falsification of information on the form is a felony, but nobody was checking. Nowadays they do a FBI "background" check to see if a buyer is listed anywhere as a felon or nut case.

Or he could have purchased the guns from an individual or stolen them for that matter. I doubt we'll ever get the truth from our media about how he acquired the guns.