I believe there was a thread where Bill stated he was off the forum. Joe took some heat for his involvement in the thread and didn't like the level of heat he was taking. Both of them contributed a lot to the forum, but they were the ones who decided to leave. Polite requests from quite a few of us did not work. Begging, other than being pitiful and humiliating for the community either does not work or works for a price too high for us. Therefore, I think that thread would be a terrible idea.