How is this possible?

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Originally Posted by gugi

No, you simply decided to make a gross simplification of a society being conservative/liberal with its welfare. But me pointing out that that society had some truly horrible aspects all of a sudden makes it a 'complex' matter. Come on, I didn't put any words in your mouth.


Yet the argument you made was that there is a societal problem with lack of personal responsibility and one of the main reasons is the church being a victim. I simply find it ridiculous calling one of the most privileged institution in this country a victim of the society.
I thought Jesus' attitude towards the fairly oppressive government at the time was "do diligently all your duties (e.g. pay your taxes) and don't worry much about them". Not quite the attitude I see from the church or the majority of its members. But again, it may be simply my poor understanding of what christianity is about.

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Once again, putting words in my mouth. The church/religion is not a victim. Its been marginalized, ridiculed, and criticized. But that's not what I'm saying is responsible for societal problems. I drew a very clear comparison between our general social/political stance over the years and the problems that are persisting and even getting worse. Make no mistake, I am not a particularly religious person and I'm not here to debate religion with you. All I will say is that if you believe that the basic message of Christianity is about doing your duty and paying taxes, I feel sorry for you. But thats not the topic at hand. I simply recognize the progressives continued attempt to chip away at some of the basic strengths of our society, religion being one of them. And I view situations like this one as an inevitable symptom of that. Progressives in the know are fully aware that none of the ideas they suggest will be of any use. They were designed to do more harm than good. And why? To break the system in order to permanently discredit it and ultimately replace it.

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Originally Posted by OCDshaver

Once again, putting words in my mouth. The church/religion is not a victim. Its been marginalized, ridiculed, and criticized.

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In other words it's a victim - somebody else, ah yeah the progressives, is doing all these bad things to it, completely undeserved.

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/victim

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vic·tim noun \ˈvik-təm\

Definition of VICTIM

1: a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a religious rite
2: one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent

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Originally Posted by OCDshaver

All I will say is that if you believe that the basic message of Christianity is about doing your duty and paying taxes, I feel sorry for you.

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I never used or even implied 'basic message' in that context - I said that is what the biblical representation of Jesus' stance with respect to government. If you want to know what my understanding of the basic message of christianity should be please refer to my first post - it's about altruism. I grew up in a socialist country and along with billions of others I learned personal responsibility from my family and the society - religion had absolutely no place in it. Any personal responsibility I find in christianity, at least on the books, is about personal responsibility to help those who are worse off than you, especially when it costs you something. In fact, as far as I can tell, there is far more about forgiveness than about justice - one famous parable being about Jesus explicitly thwarting justice of a prostitute that should have been stoned to death.

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Originally Posted by OCDshaver

I simply recognize the progressives continued attempt to chip away at some of the basic strengths of our society, religion being one of them. And I view situations like this one as an inevitable symptom of that. Progressives in the know are fully aware that none of the ideas they suggest will be of any use. They were designed to do more harm than good. And why? To break the system in order to permanently discredit it and ultimately replace it.

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Yes, I absolutely see that you have a rather dogmatic and narrowly ideological view of where all wrongs come from, so I am not interested in continuing this discussion.

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Seems many of you missed this part of the article..

"Miles was imprisoned in Lincoln, Ill., due to a possible parole violation on a 2010 conviction for robbing a 75-year-old at knifepoint, the paper reports."

"who was using the alias Charmane Boone at the time-- "has a history of pulling a knife and holding it to people's necks."


The only thing broken is that somebody hasn't put this rabid dog down yet...

Oh wait "A Chicago woman" that explains it all now :p

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Interesting thing about the knife story is that after years and years of arrests and clearly a conviction in 2010 for armed robbery, the "Rights" notion of more police, and the creation of a police state, still see's her on the streets lol!!

How very, very effective LOL!!

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Seems many of you missed this part of the article..

"Miles was imprisoned in Lincoln, Ill., due to a possible parole violation on a 2010 conviction for robbing a 75-year-old at knifepoint, the paper reports."

"who was using the alias Charmane Boone at the time-- "has a history of pulling a knife and holding it to people's necks."


The only thing broken is that somebody hasn't put this rabid dog down yet...

Oh wait "A Chicago woman" that explains it all now :p

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Originally Posted by earcutter

Interesting thing about the knife story is that after years and years of arrests and clearly a conviction in 2010 for armed robbery, the "Rights" notion of more police, and the creation of a police state, still see's her on the streets lol!!

How very, very effective LOL!!

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Looks at post to see where I mentioned Police :thinking:


Simple test for how people see life from this sentence

"Miles was imprisoned in Lincoln, Ill., due to a possible parole violation on a 2010 conviction for robbing a 75-year-old at knifepoint, the paper reports."

Please point to the victim

a= Miles
b= 75 year old at Knifepoint

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Looks at post to see where I mentioned Police :thinking:


Simple test for how people see life from this sentence

"Miles was imprisoned in Lincoln, Ill., due to a possible parole violation on a 2010 conviction for robbing a 75-year-old at knifepoint, the paper reports."

Please point to the victim

a= Miles
b= 75 year old at Knifepoint

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Hey don't take it personally lol - I have just been catching up after a day away and am still promoting my opinion that the system is broken lol.

Nothing I said was incorrect :).

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Looks at post to see where I mentioned Police :thinking:


Simple test for how people see life from this sentence

"Miles was imprisoned in Lincoln, Ill., due to a possible parole violation on a 2010 conviction for robbing a 75-year-old at knifepoint, the paper reports."

Please point to the victim

a= Miles
b= 75 year old at Knifepoint

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What's even scarier than that?

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"Miles was imprisoned in Lincoln, Ill., due to a possible parole violation on a 2010 conviction for robbing a 75-year-old at knifepoint, the paper reports."

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My understanding is that even an ARREST is a parole violation... Unless that's just how it's done in Chicago/Illinois.:thinking:

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Originally Posted by InHonorOfRay

Hirlau, when I said "people" I was referring to anyone who continues to make bad decisions and never learn from their mistakes. We all mess up in life and fall on hard times, but if you aren't willing to change for the positive than you can't expect other people to want to help you. JMO

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Sometimes people do continue to make bad decisions, but sometimes life circumstances and other peolpes prejudice can make it very hard to turn your life around, particularly if that person was getting in trouble decades ago when society was less accepting. I don't condone crime, and it does seem that this lady is voilent however she has also been in and out of mental health facilities, so she may have been let down by this system as well.

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Originally Posted by edhewitt

Sometimes people do continue to make bad decisions, but sometimes life circumstances and other peolpes prejudice can make it very hard to turn your life around, particularly if that person was getting in trouble decades ago when society was less accepting. I don't condone crime, and it does seem that this lady is voilent however she has also been in and out of mental health facilities, so she may have been let down by this system as well.

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The only way she has been let down by the system is that she has not been permanently incarcerated, either in a penal institution or a mental institution. Knife attacks are violent crimes, if done by the sane it is time for the penal institution if done by the insane it is time for the padded room and the meds.

I have to wonder how many opinions would be different if she had put a gun to her victims heads.

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Originally Posted by nun2sharp

The only way she has been let down by the system is that she has not been permanently incarcerated, either in a penal institution or a mental institution. Knife attacks are violent crimes, if done by the sane it is time for the penal institution if done by the insane it is time for the padded room and the meds.

I have to wonder how many opinions would be different if she had put a gun to her victims heads.

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Please don't missunderstand my intention, I agree that in this instance some sort of institutionalisement (made up word, couldnt think of the right one) would be appropriate. IF she does have a mental illness then that system DID let her down, of course if not then she is a violent criminal based on the report from the OP.