A question about Private Property

We have a lot of desert around here. Sometimes it's hard to tell road from trail and signs are limited let alone gates. The 1 sign that works the best is "Military Base- Government property- DO NOT ENTER ". If you happen to miss the sign you will either be greeted by an Apache helicopter or a few HV's with heavily armed soldiers. Neither of which is a pleasant experience. Another one that works pretty well is " Federal Detention area ahead ". I think Glen's best choice (without the open gate method) is the "Private Road no Outlet." They have to see it before they turn in or they are already committed to being stupid. :<0)

i admit i didnt read everyone's post but in my opinion ppl are just plain stupid !!

i used to do a lot of driving in parts of PA & OH to find private access to streams for fishing , and wetlands for hunting that i could see on topographic maps ... i have come to drives with similar signs that were bout the same distance back and stopped and backed all the way out cause i couldnt turn around and i wasnt gonna go past the signs .. not for fear but out of respect for the landowner !!! i think people just dont care more then it is stupidity ... but i admit ive been known to leave a note on the private property signs with my intent to hunt/fish/ prospect with my phone number and an apology for leaving the note on there sign ... 8/10 call me back and bout 5/10 let me hunt or fish ... :)

a similar story ..
i live in a neighborhood , corner lot , a van would pull in my front yard ( my neighbor told me the vehicle) and wait for her kid to get off the bus rain , snow , whatever and turf my lawn if wet ... so i put 3 signs in the yard STAY OFF THE LAWN PLEASE and tamper down the ruts .. come home and the car went between 2 signs and drove in the yard .. i never could catch her but after a call to the police she stopped ... i was baffled about how someone could have such a lack of respect for personal property ... i wanted to back up to her front door and just spin my tires all the way to the road after i knew who it was but i must have grown up a bit cause i didnt ...lol

After seeing the signs in the OP's photos, I know that I would have been one of the stupid ones drivng past them, looking for a way out, at first thought , I take them to mean, stay out of the woods. :shrug:

Then again,,,,you'd never catch me in that region of Idaho,,,cause I know there's a guy up there that makes scales & brush handles out of bones,,,,I don't think he's particular on the source of those bones either. Attachment 134669

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Originally Posted by 10Pups

We have a lot of desert around here. Sometimes it's hard to tell road from trail and signs are limited let alone gates. The 1 sign that works the best is "Military Base- Government property- DO NOT ENTER ". If you happen to miss the sign you will either be greeted by an Apache helicopter or a few HV's with heavily armed soldiers. Neither of which is a pleasant experience. Another one that works pretty well is " Federal Detention area ahead ". I think Glen's best choice (without the open gate method) is the "Private Road no Outlet." They have to see it before they turn in or they are already committed to being stupid. :<0)

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Or glen could buy an apache, and employ a bunch of mercenaries, they would most likely bring their own HV along. And as a bonus you could fly everywhere it'd be like airwolf.

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Originally Posted by edhewitt

Or glen could buy an apache, and employ a bunch of mercenaries, they would most likely bring their own HV along. And as a bonus you could fly everywhere it'd be like airwolf.

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Now we're talking :)

Heck I just wanted to buy one of those larger RC Copter's that has the Vid camera on them, I thought that would be pretty cool to fly over the ranch and look down :p

We live down a dead end road, although not at the end, but used to get a lot of randoms turn up until i put up our new greeting sign

"TRESPASSERS MAY GO MISSING"

worked a treat.

This is probably an American thing.
I am not entirely up to date on the relevant laws, but I know that unless something is fenced off or has reasonable expectations of privacy (such as your backyard), signs have little meaning. Especially concerning roads.

We also don't have the problem with access roads to enclosed land such as it exists in the US. Whether a road is private or public, if it is the only way to reach someone elses property, then that person is legally entitled to use your private road to access his property, and you are not allowed to block him or remove the road.

Anyway, if I see such signs here, I would take them to mean the land, not the road. The concept of private roads is foreign to me unless the entire proiperty has been fenced off.

EDIT: Just to head off a philosophical discussion about ownership, the reason for this way of doing things is logical. You cannot enforce privacy unless the person corssing to your land is notified of the private status no matter from which way he comes. It is no good posting 'private property' signs along the access road if the side of your property is running next to a public road where such signs are absent. Because anyone entering your land from the side of the public road would not have seen the signs, and therefore under no obligation to respect the fact that it is private land. Or he could cross from one property to another without knowing he'd done so.

This is why you have to 'control' all ways someone can access your property before you can legally enforce provacy. Only when that has been taken care of do you have legal standing. Realistically, this means fencing off and posting signs at every entrance.

+1 for "private drive no thru traffic", back it up with a "dead end". No need to attempt to scare people, it's likely that most of them don't realize that this is the case. I would put all of that directly at the turnaround.

It is pretty much the same here Bruno, see post #10..

We have a 50 foot law, that says that the boundary of the land must be either Fenced, or have Proper 12x12 signage every 50 feet, or have the trunks of the trees painted Orange every 50 feet to be legal... (mine is marked)

We have an access laws also, but they pertain to public lands not to private, ie: You could but block access to public lands if a public road happened to cross your property

This road however leads to my house only, it was the original "Driveway" for the property, as the land was sold off through the last 40 years, the people at the front end of the road were given Deeded access to use the road.. The front of the road is however not the issue, the fact that once the road crosses onto only my property it again become a private drive for me is the issue... The road is however Private in it's entirety, it is actually only for people that live on it, and their guests, we have really no way of enforcing that however..