Thread: Greves & Sons 8/8

Originally Posted by Martin103

Very nice post, the before and after are quite impressive, once again very nice work!

Thanks Martin! I appreciate the Thumbs Up...

That is one suh-weeeet chopper. And I'm right there with ya on the crocus finish.

It's an absolute gem!

There sounds like some proprietary information here as to settiing the bevel 'profile.' I'm fine with keeping professional secrets but if it is not a secret, what are you saying? Also, I was probably, like many, stunned by the amount of pitting. I am not a fan of pitting. Finally, on first glance I thought you 'softened' up the makers mark on the shank but saw that it was just a little out of focus...in another pic it is still deep and has 'crispy edges.' It will be a terrific save once completed.

Originally Posted by Wolfpack34

Hey Shane! I set the bevel 'profile' (you know how I did it!) so it's got a good start for a nice small an tight bevel, but the honing will be done by the man that will shave with it.

Originally Posted by WW243

There sounds like some proprietary information here as to settiing the bevel 'profile.' i'm fine with keeping professional secrets but if it is not a secret, what are you saying? Also, I was probably like many stunned by the amount of pitting. I am not a fan of pitting. Finally, on first glance I thought you 'softened' up the makers mark on the shank but saw that it was just a little out of focus...in another pic it is still deep and has 'crispy edges.' It will be a terrific save once completed.

Yes, I was also intrigued by the 'set the bevel profile' and would like to know more.

Also, am I right in assuming that there was a re-grind involved or is it all down to hand sanding?

Hey gents - no secret in what wolfpack was referring to in setting the bevel. More of an inside joke cause we had both been using same thing lately.
Mike uses (and mentioned to me) a little carborundum sometimes to set the bevel.
I know there are differing opinions about whether a small stone is more beneficial to be able to reach specific areas of the edge, but in any case it goes to show how useful those stones can be. I believe they're intended to be barber hones for touch ups and what not, but with a little pressure they cut surprisingly fast.
We had been on a kick lately of setting the bevel with the carborundum, and then completely finishing with a frictionite by using both sides.
I'm really a believer now that if I were in a desert island, I could get away with just a carborundum and a frictionite.

Whoa! Going for less is more it sounds like. I hope it catches on so the prices of Eschers drop (like a stone) on Ebay. Wait, if it catches on, a large part of the Forum will dry up. You might have to start a new Forum: The Desert Island SRP, you can only be a member if you own a razor, a little carborundum hone and a Frictionite.

Originally Posted by RoyalCake

Hey gents - no secret in what wolfpack was referring to in setting the bevel. More of an inside joke cause we had both been using same thing lately.
Mike uses (and mentioned to me) a little carborundum sometimes to set the bevel.
I know there are differing opinions about whether a small stone is more beneficial to be able to reach specific areas of the edge, but in any case it goes to show how useful those stones can be. I believe they're intended to be barber hones for touch ups and what not, but with a little pressure they cut surprisingly fast.
We had been on a kick lately of setting the bevel with the carborundum, and then completely finishing with a frictionite by using both sides.
I'm really a believer now that if I were in a desert island, I could get away with just a carborundum and a frictionite.

Originally Posted by RoyalCake

Hey gents - no secret in what wolfpack was referring to in setting the bevel. More of an inside joke cause we had both been using same thing lately.
Mike uses (and mentioned to me) a little carborundum sometimes to set the bevel.
I know there are differing opinions about whether a small stone is more beneficial to be able to reach specific areas of the edge, but in any case it goes to show how useful those stones can be. I believe they're intended to be barber hones for touch ups and what not, but with a little pressure they cut surprisingly fast.
We had been on a kick lately of setting the bevel with the carborundum, and then completely finishing with a frictionite by using both sides.
I'm really a believer now that if I were in a desert island, I could get away with just a carborundum and a frictionite.

They got them sharp and kept them that way long before Nortons, Naniwas and Shaptons. This combo was obviously one of the first man-made progressions. Pretty cool you guys have taken the time to rediscover it. Basically all I did/had as starting out!

Now the lightbulb is lit up over my head: one of the first man made progressions..... agreed, pretty cool.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

They got them sharp and kept them that way long before Nortons, Naniwas and Shaptons. This combo was obviously one of the first man-made progressions. Pretty cool you guys have taken the time to rediscover it. Basically all I did/had as starting out!

Originally Posted by sharptonn

They got them sharp and kept them that way long before Nortons, Naniwas and Shaptons. This combo was obviously one of the first man-made progressions. Pretty cool you guys have taken the time to rediscover it. Basically all I did/had as starting out!

No re-discovery here Tom...been using the 100 series of Carborundum's for years...Fricitonite as well. I've been showing this technique to Royal Cake, Pups and Voidmonster for the last few weeks, and they 'Get' the efficiency of these stones.

My standard progression is to 'set' the bevel profile and remove small chips with the Carbrundum razor hone (which is a finisher or refresher in it's own right as Royal Cake mentioned)...I prefer the #102 simply because it also doubles as my slurry stone for every finishing hone that I have, and it is always on my bench. With just a few 'swipes' using pressure I can create a very nice, small and tight bevel on both sides of the edge. Nice and even on both sides.

Then I will go to my 1000K bevel setter to finish setting the bevel and smooth the edge out...it only takes a few minutes for a complete bevel set. After that the progression is 'dealers choice' if you will, and the Frictionite '00' is a good choice for a very fine 12-15K edge. Using the coarse side of the Frictionite with pressure you can get a very fast progression starting out at about 5-6K and finishing with light strokes to about an 8K. After that the fine side of the Frictionite will take the blade to 12-15K. Easy-Peazy!

That's not to say that my Superstones or Coticules or Eschers don't get a workout as well...just all depends on my mood.

Anyway...WW243...that is what I meant!

Just got the original scales fixed-up and pinned with the original collars. Some might have chucked them and made new ones, But I was intent upon saving them. Pretty much slathered CA inside them and fixed some delamination and cracks with epoxy. Like Wolfpack's crocus finish, I hid some remaining flaws with a satin, lightly-polished finish and slathered them with neetsfoot upon completion. Did some bevel work on the DMT using 2 layers of tape, so the honing went super-easy with a long finish on Escher. This heavy brute shaves like a demon. All you need is gravity!


Back on the line!