Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11
Like Tree96Likes

Thread: The Mappin Brothers

  1. #1
    Razor Vulture sharptonn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Lone Star State
    Posts
    26,086
    Thanked: 8612

    Default The Mappin Brothers

    I posted a nice Josh Mappin and Bros Lancet Edge a while back. Kept the patina and a bit of the age to it. My fine razor buddy Darl (Tarkus) made me some fine, slick, horn scales for it using his toolmaker savvy in an unusual fashion.
    So as I acquired another Lancet Edge blade, an idea creeped into my head. (Imagine That!)
    I decided to have myself a matching pair of Josh Mappin and Bros Lancet-Edge razors. I had honed and REALLY enjoyed shaving with the first one (I will call it Josh) and surrendered it and the second blade (Named Newton for Josh's brother) to Darl to perform a modern miracle of a matching set of scales. Turns out making two sets of matching scales at once is a WHOLE lot easier than replicating an existing set. Darry was not happy! It was a pain and took him quite a while to accomplish. Seems one blade was from a 7 day set made on Monday and the other must have been made on Friday. Differences in tangs, tails, geometry, grind, all played a part in his attempt to get them as close as possible.
    Perhaps Josh made one and Newton, the other! Anyway, Darry soldiered on (as he does) and did a wonderful, slick, tight job!
    As they were returned to me, the ball was in my court. I needed a box. No paired razor box I had was long enough for these beasts, so I took an old 7-day set box and converted it to a box for this pair. I found in the process that I am no upholstery guy but after many attempts, did ok. The interior of the bottom was 'painted' with a Sharpie Magnum as was the basswood divider. The bottom and top were brought closer together with some balsa shims and little pillions of foam were covered with shiny red fabric while the original top pillow from the box was recovered same. I have learned that instead of thin fabric, the darker, thicker, fuzzy material hides lots of sins. They are obvious here, but I did my best after several attempts. Double-sided fabric tape is GREAT! learned a lot!
    Anyway, an old key was found and made to work the lock and the box received the same treatment as the blades. Cleaned, patina respected, and a bit of furniture polish. Both razors have been honed on all-natural hones and shave wonderfully. Besides looking cool, these really have a special grind. Quite the shavers! I hope Darl will come forth with his (much better!) pictures upon his completion of the scales as well as sharing how he made them.
    Thanks for the help, Darl!
    Tom


    Name:  DSCN1033.jpg
Views: 318
Size:  39.5 KBName:  DSCN1021.jpg
Views: 285
Size:  23.5 KBName:  DSCN1025.jpg
Views: 287
Size:  48.7 KBName:  DSCN1035.jpg
Views: 294
Size:  42.9 KBName:  DSCN1036.jpg
Views: 296
Size:  36.4 KB
    Last edited by sharptonn; 10-18-2014 at 01:26 AM.
    "Don't be stubborn. You are missing out."
    I rest my case.

  2. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to sharptonn For This Useful Post:

    Geezer (10-18-2014), Hirlau (10-18-2014), Neil Miller (10-21-2014), Tarkus (10-18-2014), Wolfpack34 (10-18-2014), WW243 (10-18-2014)

  3. #2
    Senior Member Tarkus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    I'm Gonna Spend Another Fall In Philadelphia
    Posts
    1,983
    Thanked: 498

    Default

    Tom the final accents you did on this wonderful project, knocked it out of the park. It so cool!!!!
    It was a gas to be involved with this. Yes in the beginning I thought it would be a horror show to match a second set of scales being that it was months that I did the first set of scales. Luckily I keep all of my wooden router template that I sandwich between the front & back scales.

    Name:  A1.jpg
Views: 281
Size:  9.8 KB
    Name:  A.jpg
Views: 279
Size:  33.8 KB

    Once the halves are glued to the template I use a black marker to blacken the template edge and I sand and draw file the scales till I just remove the marker to match the template.

    Name:  B.jpg
Views: 288
Size:  33.0 KB

    To achieve the bevels I use the Dremel with the drill press attachment I use the bevel router bits that Dremel makes. I get multiple bits so I can change the angles to a sharper or blunter degree of my choice in a surface grinder and a spinner.

    Name:  C.jpg
Views: 275
Size:  35.2 KB

    I very carefully run the bits around both sides of the scales taking small bits as I go. Only conventional cutting no climb cutting or your probably loose a finger when it catches.

    Name:  D.jpg
Views: 284
Size:  35.4 KB

    Next I sand the flat tops to thin out the scales to there final thickness on a belt sander. I do this now being that there is less surface area to sand. I think they ended up around .114" thick. I also remove the router template and re-glue the two halves together to sand and polish.

    Name:  E.jpg
Views: 278
Size:  18.2 KB
    Name:  F.jpg
Views: 282
Size:  36.2 KB

    Tom wanted plain brass collars. I like to use brass eyelets. They look like standard collars, since they have a barrel sleeve to them that slips thru the scale they are more forgiving when you peen. Plus you can buy them for a song, 1000 eyelets cost $31.00 that’s 3 cents an eyelet and you can assemble 250 scales. Money well spent. Plus I hate the look of washers.

    Name:  G.jpg
Views: 323
Size:  43.8 KB

    During the dry fitting of the second razor I noticed there was a difference in the two blades. The belly grind on the second Mappin was much higher even going as far as the engraving.

    Name:  H.jpg
Views: 320
Size:  35.9 KB

    I had no clue to make them seat the same. I showed Tom the photos and he came up with the simplest of ideas that in a million years I would of never of come up with. He suggested that I make a new wedge that’s longer then the original scaled razors wedge and time it so that the toe rests on the lead wedge cradling the toe, thus keeping the blade from entering too much. Brilliant, Simply brilliant.

    Name:  I.jpg
Views: 299
Size:  19.0 KB

    I'm thrilled with the final results

  4. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Tarkus For This Useful Post:

    Baxxer (10-18-2014), Hirlau (10-18-2014), Neil Miller (10-21-2014), sharptonn (10-18-2014), WW243 (10-18-2014)

  5. #3
    Senior Member Tarkus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    I'm Gonna Spend Another Fall In Philadelphia
    Posts
    1,983
    Thanked: 498

    Default

    Some more photos

    Name:  IMG_4109.jpg
Views: 272
Size:  21.3 KB

    Name:  IMG_4098.jpg
Views: 269
Size:  19.0 KB

    Name:  IMG_4099.jpg
Views: 274
Size:  21.3 KB

    Name:  IMG_4096.jpg
Views: 274
Size:  14.5 KB

    Name:  IMG_4106.jpg
Views: 284
Size:  20.8 KB

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Tarkus For This Useful Post:

    Neil Miller (10-21-2014), WW243 (10-18-2014)

  7. #4
    Senior Member blabbermouth Hirlau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    13,530
    Thanked: 3530

    Default

    To see these old workhorses go back on the line, is what it's all about,,,,,,,,,,

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to Hirlau For This Useful Post:

    sharptonn (10-18-2014)

  9. #5
    Senior Member Tarkus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    I'm Gonna Spend Another Fall In Philadelphia
    Posts
    1,983
    Thanked: 498

    Default

    I have to say there was a huge huge problem working on this project. I'm ashamed to admit to you all.
    I broke the 10 Tenth Commandment of the straight razor world.
    Thou shall not covet thy neighbors razor
    Having fondled those Lancets during the fabrication of the scales, and also the privilege in shaving with one I come to the realization that I must own a Mappin Lancet. There like nothing else on this earth. Spine heavy but in a good way. Toms edge was sublime as well, as always. It was a total hoot to use.
    They brain washed me to the point where I bought my own Lancet now.
    Har!!!

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to Tarkus For This Useful Post:

    sharptonn (10-18-2014)

  11. #6
    Razor Vulture sharptonn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Lone Star State
    Posts
    26,086
    Thanked: 8612

    Default

    HAR! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Neil Miller and WW243 like this.
    "Don't be stubborn. You are missing out."
    I rest my case.

  12. #7
    Senior Member blabbermouth nicknbleeding's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Springfield,Ma
    Posts
    3,145
    Thanked: 1285

    Default

    Wow those are amazing razors

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to nicknbleeding For This Useful Post:

    sharptonn (10-18-2014)

  14. #8
    Thread derailment specialist. Wullie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Republica de Tejas
    Posts
    2,792
    Thanked: 884

    Default

    I enjoy mine.

    The work you guys did is awesome.

    WELL DONE to both of you.

    Here's my Lancet Edge in ivory.





    Interesting to note the differences in grinds of the three "same" razors pictured. Biggest difference I can see is at the heel of the blade where it meets the bottom of the tang.
    Last edited by Wullie; 10-18-2014 at 03:05 AM.
    Member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club, participant SE Asia War Games 1972-1973. The oath I swore has no statute of limitation.

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Wullie For This Useful Post:

    sharptonn (10-18-2014)

  16. #9
    Fatty Boom Boom WW243's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Rockville
    Posts
    3,258
    Thanked: 638

    Default

    I think this design is one of the most interesting designs for a razor that I have seen. It brings plenty of questions into my impaired head like: I wonder how many manufacturing/hand operations were required to make this type of razor compared with conventional designs of the same period of manufacture? Somehow looking at this and imagining someone in the period of manufacture (nope, I don't know off hand what that is but I will find out) it must have looked very futuristic for lack of a better word. Was there a precedent for this design or did it just spring to life out of the minds of the Mappin Bros? I would think the margin for error would be high compared with conventional razors? More questions will come up as I stare at these beautiful examples of the art of razor design and break that commandment mentioned above by Tarkus.....I break it all the time but I let go pretty quickly too. As per usual, great collaboration.
    Last edited by WW243; 10-18-2014 at 01:14 PM.
    "Call me Ishmael"
    CUTS LANE WOOL HAIR LIKE A Saus-AGE!

  17. The Following User Says Thank You to WW243 For This Useful Post:

    sharptonn (10-18-2014)

  18. #10
    Senior Member Dimitry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Torhout, Belgium
    Posts
    473
    Thanked: 41

    Default

    Wow, very nice set. Very creative!

  19. The Following User Says Thank You to Dimitry For This Useful Post:

    sharptonn (10-18-2014)

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •