Thread: Early Joseph Elliot

I posted a few pictures of this razor on other threads because of the scales. I thought I'd show it off. It went to a lucky SRP member in Tennessee. The notch and the arris spine makes this razor stand out IMHO. The reproduced crocus type finish is what the blade originally had and saving the scales was a real bonus. I think the razor dates 1840ish. The blade is quite light and the tang is on the short side.

Very nice. I like the Eagle.

Nice work. Great save on those scales. Bone is one of the materials that you can stain and get some antique look but it never really is the same as the actual antique look. I suspect that they are bovine bone due to the amount of speckling in them.

I have often wondered about Elliot dates and production. I have a few with no royal warrant and one with a WR royal warrant and I have always wondered why they were not all produced with the warrant. It seems clear that in the middle somewhere there were many with no warrant. Did Elliot have a warrant and loose it and then get it back or is there some reason they would have a royal warrant and not mark it on their products.

Great looking razor Karl. That notch and spine really are eye catchers. Those thin bone skins just add to the effect.
Well done, and terrific pictures as well.

If I owned that razor I would look in the mirror and tell the person looking back at me, "You're one lucky devil aren't you?" Nice razor.

That's a beauty Karl! Love the scales...Great job...

Originally Posted by RezDog

Nice work. Great save on those scales. Bone is one of the materials that you can stain and get some antique look but it never really is the same as the actual antique look. I suspect that they are bovine bone due to the amount of speckling in them.

I have often wondered about Elliot dates and production. I have a few with no royal warrant and one with a WR royal warrant and I have always wondered why they were not all produced with the warrant. It seems clear that in the middle somewhere there were many with no warrant. Did Elliot have a warrant and loose it and then get it back or is there some reason they would have a royal warrant and not mark it on their products.

I think you mean royal cypher not warrant. The cypher was just a sign of the monarch reigning at the time. Royal warrants of appointment have been issued for centuries to tradespeople who supply goods or services to a royal court or certain royal personages. Warrants granted by members of the British royal family usually include the phrase "By Appointment to…" followed by the title and name of the royal customer, and then what goods are provided; no other details of what is supplied may be given.
Joseph Elliot Sr. 1760 - 1830. He had 10 sons. The first directory listing was in 1822 based in Sambourne Square, Edward Street. 3 years later the firm relocated to it's Hollis Croft address. By 1833 Joseph and been joined by John Elliot (possibly his brother). The partnership lasted until 1950. In 1856 he was joined by this son Joseph Edwin Elliot (1829 - 1899) and the firm became Joseph Elliot and Son. He acquired a number of trade marks. One of which was the set square-compass and WOLF marks of John Barber.

I think the stamps on Sheffie razors indicate a Royal Warrant granted and were not Royal Cyphers. Royal Cyphers appear to be something else again and used differently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_cypher

My guess would be that the Royal Warrant was used during the reign/lifetime of that particular King or Queen. If the succeeding King or Queen did not grant a Royal Warrant to that firm then that stamp was omitted.

It is times like this that Neil Miller's help is sorely missed in clarifying these things.

Bob

Awesome job on that Elliot!

very Nice work