Thread: Gilbert brothers old army 1776

I just finished a Gilbert brothers (the celebrated old army razor 1776). All the hardware on this thing was pretty well shot but the blade was just fine. Another thing that caught my attention where the fake plunge lines.... also any information on the maker would be very much appreciate.

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Nice! I'm wondering about the "fake plunge lines" myself. To me that is a sign of machine grinding with a double grinder when it was made. I'd also think it'd be a stress riser when heat treating and lead to cracks, unless it was ground in after heat treat? I do a lot of grinding after heat treat, even have a wet grinder so that's a possibility. Is it just me, or did you use larger than 1/16" pin stock? I'm debating on going larger for pins myself. Anyway, nice piece and good job.

Originally Posted by will52100

Nice! I'm wondering about the "fake plunge lines" myself. To me that is a sign of machine grinding with a double grinder when it was made. I'd also think it'd be a stress riser when heat treating and lead to cracks, unless it was ground in after heat treat? I do a lot of grinding after heat treat, even have a wet grinder so that's a possibility. Is it just me, or did you use larger than 1/16" pin stock? I'm debating on going larger for pins myself. Anyway, nice piece and good job.

Thank you! It's 1/16 brass rod!

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Thanks, I'd been thinking about using 3/32" on my next build as I don't have any 1/16 pin stock. But I can get some.

Very nice razor and congratulations for you restoration!

About that line we call it "ligne d'entablement" in french, which is generally visible on superior quality razors!

Originally Posted by will52100

Nice! I'm wondering about the "fake plunge lines" myself. To me that is a sign of machine grinding with a double grinder when it was made. I'd also think it'd be a stress riser when heat treating and lead to cracks, unless it was ground in after heat treat? I do a lot of grinding after heat treat, even have a wet grinder so that's a possibility. Is it just me, or did you use larger than 1/16" pin stock? I'm debating on going larger for pins myself. Anyway, nice piece and good job.

This is also somewhat prevalent on a number of English razors in the first part of the 19th century, from my experience at least.

Interesting razor Aaron, Wade & Butcher made the same razor almost identical: http://straightrazorpalace.com/show-...val-style.html
There mention of Gilbert Brothers in that thread as well.

Originally Posted by Martin103

Interesting razor Aaron, Wade & Butcher made the same razor almost identical: http://straightrazorpalace.com/show-...val-style.html
There mention of Gilbert Brothers in that thread as well.

The wade and butcher old army is basically the whole reason I bought it. Hopefully I can now get the wade and butcher then have a neat set!!!

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