Thread: Seraphim Seramix (tm) razor in process...

Originally Posted by badboris

Kiocera says ceramik is too dangerous for a razor blade
they probably used testers that never shave with a straight before
lots of cuts and nicks then they report dangerous and too sharp

I have no idea why you assume incompetence on the part of the Kiocera testers? Are there specific reports on the experiment that point that way? If it really is too sharp like they say, I could imagine it slicing into the skin at a 30° angle, or even a lower angle for that matter?
In the mean time, our friend Seraphim seems to have the opposite problem.

Originally Posted by Cornelius

I have no idea why you assume incompetence on the part of the Kiocera testers? Are there specific reports on the experiment that point that way? If it really is too sharp like they say, I could imagine it slicing into the skin at a 30° angle, or even a lower angle for that matter?
In the mean time, our friend Seraphim seems to have the opposite problem.

That is precisely why I too assume incompetance on the part of the Kyocera testers. I doubt very much that those guys shaved with a straight prior to picking up whatever it was they tried to test-shave with (was it something like mine, perhaps?). How many folks with their first straight shave cut themselves? Most all.

From my experience there is nothing uber-sharp about the ceramic. It is capable of getting as sharp, or sharper than a steel edge. I have finished my edge off to 0.1um grit diamond hone. I don't think the Kyocera guys may have even gone that far. But who knows? Perhaps they did.

The night previous to my test shave above, I used the ceramic razor to shave the back of my neck (hey..I had to test it on something...) It seemed to cut rather clean and easy, so I was quite looking forward to the actual shave itself. However, I'm still not sure what the dynamic is that is preventing proper whisker removal It certainly seems sharp according to any tests and observations I have made.

I will say that the ceramic does feel nice and smooth gliding across the skin, which is what I was most interested in finding out about improving upon the steel razors. DE blades have PFTE coatings that aid in glide, and I was hoping that ceramic may have proved similarly slick against the skin.

The issue may be that they are also too slick against a well lathered whisker? Perhaps I should back off from the 0.1um edge, perhaps toa 1um edge, to give a slight degree of serration to grab and saw at the whiskers?

I suppose that's the next step to try.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I will say that the ceramic does feel nice and smooth gliding across the skin, which is what I was most interested in finding out about improving upon the steel razors. DE blades have PFTE coatings that aid in glide, and I was hoping that ceramic may have proved similarly slick against the skin.

Don't you expect orders of magnitude less maintenance as well?

Originally Posted by Quick

Don't you expect orders of magnitude less maintenance as well?

Perhaps, but to tell the truth, just picking up a straight and shaving with it felt alot less satisfying then stropping with it first. Low-maintenance may not be all that its' cracked up to be!

So what's the word on this Seraphim?

Originally Posted by jcw122

So what's the word on this Seraphim?

The word is

I was starting to fiddle around again, to reset the bevel to a lower angle, but ended up flaking off a large portion of the edge, so I decided to not waste my time with it anymore, as I have plenty of time to waste already with my steel razor fiddling&diddling.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

The word is

I was starting to fiddle around again, to reset the bevel to a lower angle, but ended up flaking off a large portion of the edge, so I decided to not waste my time with it anymore, as I have plenty of time to waste already with my steel razor fiddling&diddling.

Oh Noooooo. Say it ain't so. Take a break and try it again. The entire shaving world is watching. The huddled masses are patiently waiting in eager anticipation for the razor of the millenium. The perfect edge that requires maintenance only once a generation (and it's made with cool space age technology to boot).

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Perhaps, but to tell the truth, just picking up a straight and shaving with it felt alot less satisfying then stropping with it first. Low-maintenance may not be all that its' cracked up to be!

This is why my Feather DX sits in the bottom of the drawer getting no attention.