Paul,
It may have been a joke, but IT IS the attitude of Jerseyites. I am speaking from experience.
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Paul,
It may have been a joke, but IT IS the attitude of Jerseyites. I am speaking from experience.
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Thanks for the good spirits, my comment was meant that way but I guess I insulted some folks.
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It is all good until you have to take your gun from its place on your hip, ankle,center console, and decide to kill or not. Be prepared for that day, and the day after. It is not fun.
Well, let me put it like this: I know my handle says I'm from DC, but the truth is I live and work right across the Potomac river in the beautiful gun friendly state of Virginia. It's no accident. If I can't carry, I don't go. I haven't seen Maryland in years.
Amen brother!
I truly believe that people need to make their own decisions, but by way of mental preparation, I have strongly recommended "The Bulletproof Mind" tape lecture by Dave Grossmann and/or "Mind Set" by Gabe Suarez to every novice shooter I've trained over the past years. I also believe that combat simulations / force-on-force training are just as important for civilian firearm owners as for law enforcement and military. I try to do it for myself at least a few days each year. This type of training swiftly shows you what works and what doesn't work under pressure, and conditions you for the effects of adrenaline on your body and mind.
"It is all good until you have to take your gun from its place on your hip, ankle,center console, and decide to kill or not. Be prepared for that day, and the day after. It is not fun."
My intention is to protect my self and my family. Me presenting a firearm and using it is to stop an immediate threat. You use the word kill. I did not. That may be the overall outcome of the situation, but not neccesarily the hard and fast rule. And yes I am prepared for that day. I have been shooting for 30 years (yes even in NJ), been carrying a handgun for all of my adult life and have fired tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition in training for defense and overall recreation. I am also a dual service veteran (11 years total) and a large portion of my duties required me to carry a gun (be it a rifle or handgun). I did not push papers for my rich Uncle. I was very much in a combat role. I have fired so much ammo it has become instinctive on multiple levels. Be it revolver, semiauto etc. Or instinctive, lowlight, aimed fire etc. We also have Castle Doctrine in the great State of Georgia where as NJ does not. I mention that because if one were to defend himself in NJ he may face hard time. Rahway State Prison maybe? Here in Ga there are protective measures for those that defend themselves. There is not some type of retreat law, nor is there a "reasonable steps" law. It is stand your ground. You are protected, BY LAW, against any legal or civil ramifications. God bless the south!
We have a good castle law in MO. Not only does it provide good protection from criminal prosecution it also makes it very difficult if not impossible for the bad guys family to bring a civil suite against you.
I have my permit. Issued in Utah when I lived there. Work doesn't allow me to carry on person or in my vehicle. Here in NC I was told they have open carry laws, but never looked into it as my permit is recognized here. I got the permit to be prepared in case something happened. I don't go looking for trouble. Being 6'8" I tend to be a little more intimidating than some. But, you never know when or where you will need a little backup and a knife won't cut it. If I am traveling and have my family with me, I definitely carry something. Don't want anything happening to my family.
People,
I started this as a fun way to talk about the right to carry. Not to disparage or give opinions about the act of defending oneself in a violent situation. Most if not all people that carry have already(or should) asked themselves this tough question of "would I be willing". If you answer no then all you have is a paperweight around your belt.
Please lets not get caught up in semantics.
Paul
1st rule of a gunfight? Bring a gun. 2nd is bring all your friends with guns!
In Indiana the License To Carry Handgun is good for open or concealed carry. I usually carry concealed, so as to not alarm other sheeple.
I carry a .45ACP and/or .45 Long Colt and/or .22LR (from NAA). The ACP is usual, since it is easier to conceal and more comfortable to carry than the Long Colts.
Great thread. I believe there is little connection though between a persons interest in guns and personal protection rights and liberalism, conservatism, or feminism. probably a stronger connection to their experiences with guns and others that have them.
The only time I ever used a gun it was to stop an assailant who was in the act of raping and killing a woman in a field behind my house. It's a little ironic, for this thread, and a story that I rarely share.
It was in New Jersey, the assailant turned out to be a cop, and the woman is still, to this day, anti-gun. The presence of the gun alone changed a lot of attitudes that night. I strongly remember how all five of my neighbors refused to try to intervene, because "he might have a gun".
Now, I certainly could have just let the cop kill the woman and read about it the next day. That would have saved me a lot of trouble. The problem is it's just not the way I was raised or function in society. I'm still a little angry that five grown men decided to look the other way. But, I guess if that's the way they think, then there is little I can do about it.
So as much as I think the circumstances for needing a gun are ridiculously rare, I see them more as tools to ensure public safety and that bring with them a ton of responsibility.
Someone I know recently took a CCW class locally. He or she brought this back and I thought it might be interesting especially the part about "be very careful defending someone not on this list"
edit: "QT" is a local gas station convenience store
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That's a very good summary of most States view, very cool. It can be hard to bulletize complex legal issues. There have been many legally justified CCW incidents that didn't involve relatives though. Luckily there would be no recourse for OK if someone failed to assist a non- relative, even in the throws of danger.
I remember when I was an EMT and was taught NEVER to attempt to save the life of anyone in Maryland when you are off-duty.
I could just imagine standing there watching someone bleed out and thinking "where is the State line from here?"
I feel the same way. Here in Virginia, anyone may carry open, but it requires a permit to conceal. I don't like the idea of just anyone knowing I, or anyone may be armed. IWB, or in a day bag, 23 Glock S&W 40. cal "The Second amendment IS my concealed weapons permit! PEROID!!" -T.Nugent
Very well said. The Democratic base has been largely urban since the turn of the last century. Most urban voters have very little experience with firearms and the experience that they do have is generally that they are used to commit a crime.
But is she anti-cop?
Wow, that's lame. I mean, I understand the fear, but people are able to overcome their fear when they have to act to save another. I ran into the middle of a gang melee once because a kid was getting wailed on with a bat. I was totally unarmed and it was an absolutely stupid thing for me to do (in retrospect), though it did break up the fight. I am by no means a physically courageous person, either. It was just a reaction.
You could have, but, as I discovered from my experience, that is a very hard thing to do.
The bystander effect has been studied extensively by sociologists. The findings are (to my mind at least) very important.
I don't know about how they are in other states but its not that easy to get your license yanked in my state. There is a process the police have to go through. There has to be multiple incidents. Just someone going to them and claiming they saw the gun won't do it. I am sure police in areas that are not as gun friendly would give a person some trouble. Most of the police in my area would look at the person and ask, "Does he have a permit?" Oh OK. My local police are pretty sharp fellas and it doesn't take them long to spot someone trying to stir the pot.
“To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.” -Ted Nugent
"YOU SLEEP SAFE IN YOUR BEDS BECAUSE ROUGH MEN STAND READY IN THE NIGHT TO VISIT VIOLENCE ON THOSE WHO WOULD DO YOU HARM" George Orwell
I have always liked guns, but where I live in ontario it is not neccesary at all to carry one for self defense...and In my eyes, thats the only reason at all anyone should be carrying a pistol on their waste! unless your going shooting at a range
Oh you crazy Canadian kids :D!
The point is that here in the US, and a few other countries I've lived in (specifically Argentina and even peace-loving, neutral Costa Rica), in general, your average law-abiding citizen or resident is free to choose whether or not to carry a gun. The problem that I see in countries like Canada, or e.g. Germany, is that the average, law-abiding citizenry generally speaking will never be allowed to choose to legally "carry a pistol on their waist", even in cases where pre-emptively arming oneself with a firearm may be reasonably indicated due to actual threats in circumstances and environment. You see, in my experience, physical threats have this nasty habit of sometimes turning up unexpectedly, and despite one's best efforts to avoid, evade or defuse them... so for some people, it might seem like a good idea to have a full range of options at hand when it comes to being forced to respond to such a threat... I for one appreciate jurisdictions in which that decision is left up to the individual!
Finally got the money to take the class and I'm enrolled for Feb 25.
IT would be nice if the world really worked that way. However, even in the kindest of communities things happen. You never know when your going to be the one that comes face to face with a nut case who has just killed his wife and kids and is on a three state murder spree. Things happen and you have no way to predict or control the when and where. The best you can do is always be prepared no matter where you live.
I find it a hassle to carry anything, the only reason I carry my keys is for the bottle opener...
I live in a completely different world, I don't even lock my house at night...
I remember those days here in the US myself, but things have changed. Personally I think a lot of it is the drug influence...makes me want to move "down under"...
I've had a new chainsaw and a 3 ton jack carried off from my house and I do lock my door. My neighbors watched them do it in broad daylight. They thought they were friends of mine.
I've also seen screwdriver damage in the lock area on my doors. Fortunately I have steel doors.
Crime has been dropping steadily here after a certain law started to be enforced involving our southern neighbors.
Depending on the situation and whether and fortunately my age, when I was 21 I carried a model 19 four-inch barrel Smith & Wesson combat Magnum, as time went by, switched to a snubby S&W model 60, in the summer, a Walther ppk/s and in between these pistols depending on whether clothing situation and what I was up to my favorite is always been my colt combat commander, big punch, small package. From time to time. I have carried a few mouse guns such as a small Beretta 22 on North American arms in 22, and occasionally one of my favorites is my H&K P7 M8. Unfortunately, that one's hard to get holsters for which is a shame because it is one of the most accurate handguns I have ever shot. For a pistol with a four-inch barrel, at 50 feet It's like plinking with a 22 rifle. JMHO
Personally....
When ordering a Baconator at the local Wendy's at the counter I get the good fries when the handle of that 1911 is sticking out of it's shoulder holster... on top of my T-shirt.
In winter I use the drive through... it's crappy fries all around and it's not worth shooting up the place for...
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It's a permit to carry... you carry... if a cop tells you to put your hands up... put your hands up.
It's not really rocket science.
The cops generally get peeved if you're carrying and flames are coming out of the end of it... if it's holstered and your hands are up they're much more understanding.
I had a CCW permit for about 15 years or so now, I carry, [In Ohio and WV] a Ruger SP-101 2'' plus length, with the right ammo it will do the job, God forbid, Just nice to know that if It's me or those I love, against someone with the moral compass of a Taz/Devil, it will be them. But if that situation never comes up I'll be every happier.
tinkersd of SRP, NRA and Proud!!
When I am in the US I carry a Kel-Tec P-3AT in my right front pocket. In Canada I have my hand in my right front pocket... sigh:cry:
CPL in michigan. Ruger compact 9mm. 17+1 with two mags.
I have four guns for ccw and you'll never know where it is on me.So just be nice,ok!
I wish all the states would get together and iron out their differences. I recently traveled to WV. I had no problems in the airport in Texas or VA, but TX CCW isn't recognized in WV because they only require a 3 hour class. TX is all day. While I'm there I have WV residents telling me that they _never_ go out at night unarmed.
It's a hassle checking out gun laws when traveling. I feel nakid without my gun. I'm glad I can carry in OK. I fire off a couple of warning shots as I cross the border.
I don't yet, but I will in 2 years or so when I turn 21.
when I do, I will carry a revolver in .357 or more than likely some variation on a 1911.
My choices so far are a double action .357 by Ruger or a Wilson Combat 1911