I re-read the thread title . . I'm going with 84.
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I re-read the thread title . . I'm going with 84.
You don't believe the story. Ok, that is your prerogative. This happened years ago in Dallas. I have searched for the news story and have been unable to find it. The fact is it WAS in the news. It was a huge story at the time. They didn't come down on the father because he was a Dallas Firefighter and they cut him some slack. I was expecting charges to be filed, but it didn't happen. I was at the funeral. I was a pallbearer. I saw the father grab the girls body out of the coffin crying out his grief. I got the details of the incident from his family. I saw what it did to him.
His name is Michael Hamilton. Maybe you can find the article.
This has gotten way off topic from what I intended. As with all things that opinions are wildly opposite, emotions get fired up. Please keep this to if you carry, what, and how. Not stories of bad accidents from negligent discharges etc.
Paul
This has gotten way off topic from what I intended. As with all things that opinions are wildly opposite, emotions get fired up. Please keep this to if you carry, what, and how. Not stories of bad accidents from negligent discharges etc.
Paul
So huge that you couldn't find anything about it,I think I predicted that in my first post,and all you would have to do is look in the local newspaper archives. This has anti-gun propaganda all over it. And with that I will respect the title of this thread. I have had a CCW for over thirty years,and carry most of the time,and as I said before what I carry depends on many things,mostly the time of year and what I'm wearing.
I've considered it quite a bit, but Austin is pretty safe, with a few exceptions. Right now I just keep my guns at home. Also, my only handgun is a Ruger Blackhawk 357. It's my favorite gun, but it's way too big to carry around everywhere. I'd also kind of stand out with my 270 or 30-30 slung over my shoulder.
If I move back to Houston, I'll definitely get a CCW, and a smaller gun for the purpose. My problem is I don't really care for small guns. My next will be a Colt Delta 45, or maybe a Remingtom 1100 12 gauge. I don't have a shotgun.
If you like revolvers, the Ruger Sp101 is a very viable car&carry piece!
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It's not huge, but it sure doesn't feel small... and I would hate to be looking at the wrong end of the barrel :dropjaw:
What I especially don't like about small guns is the lack of accuracy. For example, I once tested a friend's 32. At 12 yards, the bullets were all over the target. I normally hit 3 inch targets with my blackhawk at 50 yards, freehand. I know that self defense situations would normally be a lot closer than 50 yards, but still at 12 yards I expect a fair degree of accuracy.
Maybe my friend's 32 was just a piece of crap, and had more problems than just a short barrel without real sights. How does that Ruger shoot at about 12 yards? Is that a 38?
That sound pretty much par for the course. You don't carry a .32 to hit targets down range. You carry a .32 to use with in 12 feet. Try doing point and shoot at 10-15 feet (which is about where most self defense scenario's play out) and see what you can do with it.
My glock has a 2.5 in barrel, its not meant to use like they do in the movies. It is a last resort when all other acts of diplomacy have failed and my or my families life depends on quick close action.
sorry for the rant.
Those blackhawks are great shooters, I have a 44. They aren't much for concealment, but sure are accurate.
I've got a Colt Delta Elite Government and talk about a sweet round to shoot, love it! I just got it back from Trijicon and have only put a box down the pipe...it has promise though. Just think about if you can find shells for it locally...if you reload then it's not a problem to shoot. If you don't reload, I urge you to go with a .45 in the 1911 platform...much cheaper and readily available. Another option is to get the Delta and then build a .45 slide for it and you will have two guns with the same trigger pull.
Gotta have a scattergun, my old 1100 is by my nightstand with an 18.5" barrel. I still believe that the shotgun is the most under-rated short range (-50 yds) weapon & an excellent home defense weapon. I typically hunt with an 870 though. My next scattergun will hopefully be a side-by-side, it just seems that $, or the lack there-of, gets in the ways of my wants...dang it!
When I carry, I usually carry a S&W 642 loaded with .38 Spcl +P. I practice with it frequently to distances of about 15 yards. Unfortunately, I'm feeling the need to carry more often than I used to. I keep a Sig Sauer P245 at my desk, and a Sig Sauer P226 in 9mm by the bed. No kids in the house, so they are all loaded and readily accessible.
This Ruger is chambered for .357, but you can of course also shoot .38 with it. For a small frame revolver with not so good sights, it's plenty accurate, especially in single-action (which I assume is how you get your 3" targets at 50 yds. ;-)) - I've hit torso-sized steel out to 75 yds. with it, and I'm really not a great shot with revolvers. You should be fine at 10-12...
Smaller semis in .32 and .380 are not inaccurate per se, they are just much harder to shoot accurately. The sights generally suck, grips are smallish and hard to get a good hold on, and there is less mass to absorb recoil, so they tend to feel a bit jumpy in the hand and generally "uncomfortable" to shoot. At bad breath distance in a pinch, that doesn't matter so much, but beyond 10 yds., accuracy will be somewhat harder to achieve. I have worked with smaller women whose local gunstore talked them into buying a smaller "ladies's gun"... it fits their hand okay, but they have a bad time shooting it, and are very pleasantly surprised when it turns out that a full- or medium-frame pistol is actually much easier for them to handle!
I like this kind of "pocket pistol" (e.g. Keltec P32 or P3AT, Seekamp .32, Rohrbaugh 9mm, Kahr P380) as a backup gun, or primary when you really can't carry anything else... My preference for primary carry is no smaller than a Glock 26, M&P 9c or XD Compact - all too big for a pocket gun, but still easily concealed and easier to shoot accurately, with 10-12 rds. mag capacity, and the capability to use corresponding full-size mags as well.
I tend to carry a full-size Glock, with a S&W J-Frame revolver (similar to the Ruger above) as a backup.
Relatively new member on the forum here but longtime gun owner. I've had Florida CCW since its inception in 1987. I usually carry a full size Kimber or Champion size SA 1911, sometimes a HK P7M8. The last six years of my career I was the medical team for my departments SWAT team. Carried a Glock 22 during this time.
I am also a NRA instructor.
Yeah, I love shooting the P7. I used to shoot it in IDPA but it would get a little too hot after extended firing. I honestly feel that the gun is very concealable. I carry it in a Matt DelFatti IWB holster while wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
WA CCW Carry an XDm 3.8 .40S&W when I can. Currently parked in MD, and well, my permit is not legal here. When at work in Virgina, after crossing D.C., I can't carry. After I find land on Virginia, I will carry again. Permit is valid there.
They did overturn the outright handgun ban in DC. did they not? I understand it's still very difficult to purchase one there.
Have to be a resident with a permit to own. As I am neather, it is illegal for me to even possess the gun.
Look up your state's firearm laws & check the ATF website.
That's your best bet.
After all these years, the P7 is still an awesome platform! I also found it very concealable in an OWB holster, especially compared to my full-size Glock. Just recently traded my two P7 PSPs, plus some cash, for a watch that I just couldn't resist, and I already miss them :-(, although in fact, I wasn't shooting or carrying them very much anymore...
I'm surprised you had the overheating problem with the M8 - thought that was an issue more with the PSP, and that they had improved the heatshield in front of the trigger guard for the M8?
I wouldn't characterize as a problem per se, it was more an annoyance. Now that I think about it it was only an issue during USPSA matches were the round count was 30+ a stage. IDPA has a lower round count and gun didn't heat up as much. Shooting the M8 version also put you a a bit of a disadvantage when everyone else in that class ( ESP) had 10 rounds. Most guys shot the M13.
1911 Government Model that I built some years ago. All day every day.
out of all the ones I have my H&K are right up there in the top five pistols would not trade for a watch, and I'm someone who has over 70 watches, so I know what you mean when you said you saw one that you have to have. But the trigger and accuracy of the H&K are just too nice to be on the trade list, they're also getting rarer, and more expensive since they went out of production
Thanks! With the PSP, the heat was definitely a problem - three mags of rapid fire and your fingers better not touch anywhere beyond the trigger guard... training at the range, I would run two mags max through it, and then switch to another gun to let it cool down.
I liked the M8 better than the PSP, but the availability and price was already through the roof four yeas ago - today, I see them anywhere from 2500 - 4000! Never even seen the M13, and can only imagine the price that would command these days...
Believe me, I so get what you're saying! The P7 is a stellar piece, a perfect marriage of design and function - clearly "Made In Germany"! As is the watch I got ;-)
As a collector, you may know of the Sinn brand of watches. I had never heard of or seen them until two years ago, and it was love at first sight. Since then, I've been looking for a particular model, the EZM 1. It's a real classic of theirs, and not very easy to find these days. Through a fortunate coincidence, I recently became aware that an acquaintance (who owns about as many watches as you do!), had a 2000 3H EZM1. The same acquaintance had expressed some interest in my P7s - voila! - now he has those, and I have the EZM 1...
BTW, also looking for a Rolex Datejust, mid to late 60s, black dial and gold bezel, black leather strap - any leads?
Sinn makes a great watch! Back in the early 80's I had the chance to buy a collection of H&K's from a guy who was leaving the country. He had P7's in M8, M13, and M10. P9S in all variants including the target models and a HK4 kit. Like the young dope that I was, I passed on it.
I looked at the P7's when I was choosing my carry gun. The strange way you have to squeeze the grip just put me off.
Yeah, that varies for people. Always worked well for me, and I sometimes tend to miss the grip safety on certain 1911s and the Springfield XD series... go figure!
That squeeze-cocker arguably makes the P7 one of the safest handguns ever made. I say arguably because a) according to a gunsmith I know, , the system can fail mechanically in rare cases, something about one of the springs or pins in the cocking assembly, and b) if your finger is holding back the trigger as you squeeze-cock, the weapon will discharge.
Back in the 80's, well-known gun trainer Massad Ayoob was enthusiastically recommending it for LE and civilian carry. A lot of "old-school" guys in the private security business carry it to this day - it used to be the de-facto standard for them because the accuracy, safety and concealability of the pistol could not be beat.
Damn, I'm starting to feel sorry that I traded mine in... :-(
I agree. It looks like a great pistol. I like a lot of things H&K does. The P90 is revolutionary. I like the ideas behind it's many innovations.
It is so innovative I think people have a hard time trusting it enough to buy it. It's too bad.
Oops. It's the FN P90.
I would be sorry if I got rid of mine also, as for holding the trigger squeezing I've never tried that. So I don't know. As for the squeeze cocking, some people don't have the strength to hold the cocking mechanism back for any length of time. I first saw them in a documentary where the German special forces. I think they were called the GS G9 and used it to breach an aircraft simulating taking it back from terrorists. One of the operators came in through the door rolled across the floor came up and put to when the forehead of a manikin. Some of the most unbelievable shooting I have ever seen. That's what convinced me to get mine and have never been sorry with the choice.
I hear you. I also have a Sinn watch in my collection might be tempted also so you are forgiven. As for the ECM. I can't picture it in my mind at the moment although if it is made by Sinn watch it must be nice. As for the Rolex datejust we have similar tastes as mine has a black dial with gold numbers and stainless bracelet with platinum bezel however, have you checked out Ball watch company? Go to their website and check out the tritium tube technology. These things light up like televisions at night. I have five of those already and I'm dying for another. Check them out. I think you'll have something new on your want list.
I called my local sheriff and told him i wanted to know if it was leagle to carry a cap and ball pistol when hunting or hiking ot other activies and he said that its not considered a firarm because its a black powder gun and that i was leagle to carry it but he strongly reccomened that i do not carry it into a store or into a town because the cops could hold me there untill it was proven i was leagle and he said it just cause a mess for everone invlved so i think im gonna get one for hunting and trapping and when im at the farm to hopfully shoot the groundhogs that live near the barn before they come after me like i had happen before.
Here is a poor picture of the Sinn EZM 1 I traded for:
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This was Sinn's original 1997 design of a special forces oriented "mission timer" (literal translation of EinsatzZeitMesser).
Our friends from the GSG 9 used the EZM 1 for a while back in the day, but since have moved to a dedicated version of the Sinn EZM 2B - the UX GSG 9:
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Will definitely check out the Ball line-up :-))
GSG9 was formed after the Munich Olympics tragedy in 1972. Until then, the Germans didn't have a counter-terrorism unit per se, just local SWAT teams, one of which screwed up disastrously in Munich. The team was put together by a colonel in the German Border Patrol, Ulrich Wegener, who had previously gone through extensive training with Israeli and British special forces units. Within a few years, GSG 9 under the tutelage of Wegener became one world's foremost CT and hostage-rescue units. Pretty amazing team!
The P7 PSP was produced as of of 1979, and was probably the most advanced semi-auto handgun out there at the time. I sure can't think of any other. Today, GSG 9 members can choose between the HK USP .45 or the Glock 17 9mm as their sidearm.
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It makes a distinctive "clunk" when it's cocked or released, doesn't it?
Thanks ,now I want That Sinn also-I hope you like the Ball as much.....
Well, it's not a sound as audible as racking a pump action or even a pistol slide. There is however, a distinct sound and feel to the operator holding the gun, i.e. I would know if it's cocked or not... BTW, not sure who said earlier that "some people don't have the strength to hold the squeeze-cocker pressed back..." but that's not entirely accurate. It only takes 15 lbs. of pressure to press the squeeze-cocker all the way back - a weak adult with very poor hand-strength can still generate about 20kgs. of pressure (44 lbs.) Once the handle mechanism has been squeezed back, it only requires two pounds of pressure to keep it there. The mechanics are really well thought-out and executed... ja, zeese Germans are very smart ven it comes to vorking with ze steel!