Thread: How many people CCW here?

Originally Posted by Crotalus

... I am always shocked when I hear of someone in England going to jail for defending his family with a gun against a home invasion attack.

How can the British people let their courts do this without a riot?

I got into an internet discussion with a bunch of people about this a few months ago (many of the participants were Brits, and one was in law enforcement). Apparently it's not so illegal in the UK as the sensationalist press makes it out to be. It is legal to defend oneself with a legally owned firearm in the case of a home robbery. They don't have a clear-cut "castle doctrine" there, so there's some ambiguity there. Of course, ambiguity in the law always puts the citizen at the mercy of the state, which undermines a free society. Also, the right to keep and bear arms is given very short shrift in jolly olde England, which by itself is the real problem. And the ACTUAL reason for that right being limited was to keep the commoners from killing the Royals. But hey, that's always been the real motive behind gun control. It started here in the states right after the Civil War. Them uppity blacks were shooting back at the Klansmen and not getting lynched the way they were supposed to. Based on my experience, every liberal gun-grabber is really just a closet racist.

But, I think the case you may be referring to involved the homeowner shooting at a fleeing perpetrator, though I'm not certain. The actual facts in the more famous and sensationalized cases have been groomed to maximize public outrage. The ones I've looked into haven't been such outrageous miscarriages of justice, as the tabloids painted them.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

I got into an internet discussion with a bunch of people about this a few months ago (many of the participants were Brits, and one was in law enforcement). Apparently it's not so illegal in the UK as the sensationalist press makes it out to be. It is legal to defend oneself with a legally owned firearm in the case of a home robbery. They don't have a clear-cut "castle doctrine" there, so there's some ambiguity there. Of course, ambiguity in the law always puts the citizen at the mercy of the state, which undermines a free society. Also, the right to keep and bear arms is given very short shrift in jolly olde England, which by itself is the real problem. And the ACTUAL reason for that right being limited was to keep the commoners from killing the Royals. But hey, that's always been the real motive behind gun control. It started here in the states right after the Civil War. Them uppity blacks were shooting back at the Klansmen and not getting lynched the way they were supposed to. Based on my experience, every liberal gun-grabber is really just a closet racist.
But, I think the case you may be referring to involved the homeowner shooting at a fleeing perpetrator, though I'm not certain. The actual facts in the more famous and sensationalized cases have been groomed to maximize public outrage. The ones I've looked into haven't been such outrageous miscarriages of justice, as the tabloids painted them.

Most of the southern states gun laws were Jim Crow type laws. Also most if not all of the KKK were registered Dems....

Originally Posted by EMC45

Most of the southern states gun laws were Jim Crow type laws. Also most if not all of the KKK were registered Dems....

You are absolutely correct. A policy repeated throughout history to keep certain groups down and the ruling party in charge.

There was one extra motivation for being a dem in the south. Lincoln was a Republican, the reconstruction led by Republicans, and so most southerners were dem for a long time after the Civil War. Not sure that the parties from then relate to the parties today.

I for one (a working guy) am a die hard republican & most that I know are. The old timers like my mom & her generation feel that the dem's are "for the poor working class". By most nationwide standards, I'm a poor guy as well, but surely don't like the current socialistic ideas that the dems are throwing around.

Pass the ammo...

Utah CFP holder, NRA pistol instructor and (soon to be) Utah CFP instructor.

My edc is a Springfield XDm 3.8 chambered in .40 S&W