Results 1 to 8 of 8
Like Tree54Likes
  • 26 Post By Bruno
  • 2 Post By ScottGoodman
  • 8 Post By Bruno
  • 3 Post By Jlander
  • 4 Post By Cangooner
  • 6 Post By ScottGoodman
  • 5 Post By Bruno

Thread: Forging a razor from a piece of bar stock

  1. #1
    Heat it and beat it Bruno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    15,130
    Thanked: 5229
    Blog Entries
    10

    Default Forging a razor from a piece of bar stock

    This is how I forge wootz razors from a bar. Wootz is expensive and you don't want to waste any more than you need to. I just started a fresh bar (2K$) and thought it would be nice to show the process.

    First, I draw a piece of the big bar out into a smaller bar that is more appropriate for making a razor. And then I first forge out the tang and the tail from there. Then I draw the next part out just a bit more until it is the right size for forging out the blade hollows.

    I u...se a cut off hardy to separate the blade section most of the way from the rest of the bar. I cut enough that I can hammer in the hollows without bending things in awkward angles, but I leave enough that I can use the bar to handle the blade. And then after hammering out the hollows I cut off the finished razor blank using the hardy.

    As you can see, this way the blank is already hollowed partly and shaped the way I want. The belt grinder is then only needed to clean up the lines and flats, and deepen the blade hollows.



    Til shade is gone, til water is gone, Into the shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath.
    To spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day

  2. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Bruno For This Useful Post:

    Dieseld (08-16-2017), FacialDirt (08-21-2017), Geezer (08-15-2017), Hirlau (08-15-2017), Mrchick (08-15-2017), Phrank (08-16-2017), ScottGoodman (08-16-2017), tintin (08-16-2017), xiaotuzi (08-16-2017)

  3. #2
    aka shooter74743 ScottGoodman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    SE Oklahoma/NE Texas
    Posts
    7,285
    Thanked: 1936
    Blog Entries
    4

    Default

    Nice, i like how you planned it out to minimize most all waste.
    Geezer and FacialDirt like this.
    Southeastern Oklahoma/Northeastern Texas helper. Please don't hesitate to contact me.
    Thank you and God Bless, Scott

  4. #3
    Heat it and beat it Bruno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    15,130
    Thanked: 5229
    Blog Entries
    10

    Default

    Indeed. careful forging is going to let me squeeze one or 2 more razors out of that bar.
    And I have to say I LOVE this gas forge. Being able to evenly heat a piece of steel and look at it while it is heating makes forging a lot easier. Firstly because even heat means everything moves the same, and it allows me to figure out each next step while it is heating so I don't have to look at it first after taking it out of the fire.
    Til shade is gone, til water is gone, Into the shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath.
    To spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day

  5. #4
    Senior Member blabbermouth Hirlau's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    13,530
    Thanked: 3530

    Default

    Bruno, how do you tell the temperature inside the forge, don't steel have to be heated to a certain temperature?

  6. #5
    Senior Member Jlander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    311
    Thanked: 24

    Default

    I'm guessing temp is determined largely by color. That was the way the blacksmith where I grew up did it.
    Hirlau, mglindo and Dieseld like this.
    Jay

    Nemo me impune lacessit

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to Jlander For This Useful Post:

    Hirlau (08-17-2017)

  8. #6
    Incidere in dimidium Cangooner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Val des Monts, Quebec
    Posts
    4,065
    Thanked: 1439

    Default

    Yup, colour is the main factor, but there are some other indicators too, depending on what you're checking temp for.

    For heat treating (at least the steels I use - not sure about Bruno's wootz) you can tell when it is ready for quenching by testing its magnetic properties. If it has reached a non-magnetic state, you're in the ballpark.

    For forge welding, part of the reason I use borax as a flux is that I can tell when it has reached welding temp by the way the liquid borax moves on the surface of the steel. Kind of like butter in a hot frying pan.

    Bruno - who makes your wootz?

    EDIT: Never mind - I see it's discussed in another thread.
    Last edited by Cangooner; 08-17-2017 at 12:51 AM.

    It was in original condition, faded red, well-worn, but nice.
    This was and still is my favorite combination; beautiful, original, and worn.
    -Neil Young

  9. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Cangooner For This Useful Post:

    FacialDirt (08-21-2017), Hirlau (08-17-2017)

  10. #7
    aka shooter74743 ScottGoodman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    SE Oklahoma/NE Texas
    Posts
    7,285
    Thanked: 1936
    Blog Entries
    4

    Default

    Yes, by color. Your eye actually gets calibrated with experience. I personally heat treat at night so the light has no influence.
    Southeastern Oklahoma/Northeastern Texas helper. Please don't hesitate to contact me.
    Thank you and God Bless, Scott

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to ScottGoodman For This Useful Post:

    Hirlau (08-17-2017)

  12. #8
    Heat it and beat it Bruno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    15,130
    Thanked: 5229
    Blog Entries
    10

    Default

    For heat treat I can use color, and I use recalescence as a temperature indicator when I normalize to see it I was in austenizing region.
    Forging is done by color. Forge welding is done by color + borax behavior.
    Til shade is gone, til water is gone, Into the shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath.
    To spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day

  13. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Bruno For This Useful Post:

    FacialDirt (08-21-2017), Geezer (08-17-2017), Hirlau (08-17-2017)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •