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11-11-2008, 03:36 AM #1
forge tang/blade transition
I tried my hand at forging this weekend, I now have a greater appreciation for the process. It was satisfying to hammer something into a razor (somewhat razor like) like object as opposed to weeks of tedious filing. I was using an old section of ½ drill rod. My question is how do you make the transition from the blade to the tang? I used the edge of my anvil and hammered a ledge then tried to draw out the tang.
I would really appreciate a picture of this step. I think I could do it, if I knew what I was shooting for.
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Charlie
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11-11-2008, 01:38 PM #2
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Thanked: 995Humph, a brief search didn't produce any vids. I think I can find some drawings though.
In principle, you're pinching a waist onto the billet, then drawing the rest of the narrowed section down to the width of the waist. Because steel will bulge in two directions perpendicular to the blow, there will be another heat required to reduce the bulge, which then bulges back into the area you just hit previously. Back and forth, back and forth, multiple heats are required until you're satisfied with the shape and taper of the tang and straightness.
Practice.
BTW Charlie: your frameback blade is now Rc 61.“Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power.” R.G.Ingersoll
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11-12-2008, 09:56 PM #3
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Thanked: 150Yeah, it's just a matter of hammering and heating in the right places and order...
A picture might help but the steel is going to deform in ways that you might not expect, trial and error has been the best method for me, despite the countless hours searching the bladesmithing forums and watching videos.
Congrats on getting something razor-like on your first try, my first attempts were pretty funny looking back, and I conveniently didn't take pictures.
I say just keep at it and you'll get the hang of it in no time!
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11-12-2008, 11:10 PM #4
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Owen is a damn fine smith. This vid is from one of his hammer-ins. There are a lot of my good friends in these pictures.
About 1:40 he gets into the narrow tang bit. He's using a power hammer, but the method is the same, it's just that you'll be using a hand hammer. It will take more heats and progress is slower. If you don't understand the process with a hand hammer, using a power hammer will make no improvement. Your mistakes will be bigger. Learn to do these things with a simple hand hammer first.“Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power.” R.G.Ingersoll
11-12-2008, 11:19 PM
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Smithing is a fascinating craft. When in Vietnam, I needed to salvage 4 - 5 ton air conditioning units. They were installed 2 units back to back, space, 2 more units back to back. I had to get them apart to reduce their size to something shipable and loaded onto a truck. Wait now, I'm getting to the point.
The only way I could see to separate the units was with about a 4' long straight screwdriver with about a 3/4" long x about a strong 1/16" thick tip - something like a drag link driver, which I didn't have. I went to the local AFB and spoke to a Mr. Kim, the resident machinist. While describing my problem to him he was heating a length of about a #5 rebar and with about 10 blows had the tip fully shaped. A quench and a heat on the other end to give it a quick 90 and I had a screwdriver. About 4 hours later I had the A/Cs disconnected and ready to load.
Mr. Kim was a master with an anvil and hammer and hot steel. No blow was wasted or misdirected. When remembering those days of adventure, I still marvel at his skill.
11-13-2008, 02:17 AM
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Thanks for the replies and the video, I will keep trying. The part of the video that intrigues me starts at 1:10. I wonder if I should make a fuller tool of some sorts. I have a hard time trying to hit the exact same spot repeatedly. I can draw the metal out, but I cannot make a proper L shape transition. I finally broke down and used the file to get more of an inside corner.
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Charlie
11-13-2008, 02:57 AM
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Nothing wrong with that approach Charlie. Use the hammer to move the metal close to where you want to be, then finish closer with the file. As your hammer technique improves, less filing will be needed.
“Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power.” R.G.Ingersoll
11-13-2008, 04:52 AM
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i know very little about the forging process, but perhaps you could put it in a vice and use another piece of metal in a chisle manner to get an accurate strike...i think you actually gain some power behind the strike because the force is focused to the end of the rod, but i don't know if this would work just an idea.
you could also cut a groove into the end of the rod to help keep it located...
11-13-2008, 05:55 AM
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Those fullering tools kept disapearing at the ABS school. There pretty easy to make. They can be a pain to try and use by yourself so some people weld a block the same size as the hardie hole to the fuller and use the anvil to hold the fuller. It's easier to use with one person. I have seen people build themselves gulliontines, or something like a smithing magician. Blacksmith's Journal - blacksmithing help and publications
After forging a few tangs by hand you'll really appreciate the power hammer even more.
11-13-2008, 06:31 AM
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Slightly OT, but the same principle applies to electrical sanding vs handsanding. Do handsanding first until you have a really good feel for the interaction between the sandpaper and the steel, and an idea about how the steel will react to different things. Only then progress to electrical sanders in whatever shape or design.
Otherwise, every 'oops' is going to do significant damage.
Just my 2ct.
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