My shoulderless grinds could use some improvement. They're OK as long as I keep them fairly short, but I really like the look of some of the vintage blades where the grind extends almost all the way to the pivot hole. I can't seem to figure out a technique that will allow me to achieve that shape.

To date I've been extending the belt out over the edge of the wheel by maybe 3/8" and using that to get the gradual taper toward the bottom of the tang. This doesn't work so well once I extend the hollow more than 3/8" into the tang.

Also, the natural slant of the hollow in the tang encourages the main part of the blade to want to tilt into the wheel, which is always a major disaster.

Any fellow steel-dust eaters want to take a stab at describing how you approach shoulderless grinds?

Josh