Hi butch I would have made 20 by now but I been laid up . My neck surgery has gone south and can hardly lift my arms or ide be grinding and asking you more questions. I am going to get some steel off aldo and then ill be set. No point in getting it til im healthy. I finished off 10 knives in the past month. had them heat treated over a month ago . I use the norax structured abrasive belt like the first one you showed but will be getting some gators soon. I have a bunch to use up first I do like the blaze orange for high volume grinding. Some times just to aggresive is bad. Kellyw