I've still been having problems getting my latest W&B and my Red Point to the point were I can shave with them. The W&B I can't even get to pass a HHT and although I can get the Red Point to pass a HHT it shaves horrible. So I pulled another razor out of my need to be sharpened drawer a Wester Bros I picked up off Ebay and gave it a try and got it to the HHT and shaved with it tonight and got a wonderfull shave. I'm not sure why I'm having such a hard time getting these two razors to shave. The Wester Bros makes the eighth Razor that I've been able to get sharp enough to get great shaves with. I'll keep working on the other two and maybe some day I'll get them to shave.