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07-29-2018, 01:30 AM #1
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Thanked: 599Wellll... "weak" is perhaps not the adjective I'd use. Lemme tink... OK. My take on an ASS/ASB is that -- if it's part of a "threesome" -- it should primarily do it's job (either astringent - ASS, or soothing - ASB), and secondarily match (in scent, not in projection/longevity) the aroma of the soap/cream and the EDC/EDT/EDP.
How's that -- helpful?
I like the burn of an alcohol-based ASS; it lets me know where I messed-up (scrapes, nicks, weepers, cuts), and where I did good. It's refreshing... like that old (Aqua Velva?) ad where the guy applies it by slapping himself in the face. Five-to-ten-minutes later, I like the soothing and moisturing of an ASB (Floris, for example, offers an ASS and ASB that match their Santal shaving cream and Eau de Santal EDT).
TGQ Desert Ironwood is a wonderful example of how one could extend a standalone product (the shaving soap) into a product line (soap, ASS, ASB, and EDT/CX). Currently, when I shave with TGQ Desert Ironwood, I follow it with Calvin Klein Obsession for Men ASB, and later, the matching CK EDT. One learns to make-do... but a full TGQ Desert Ironwood product line might be "irresistible". I think what it would take, vis-a-vis the customer, is education (i.e., how to use the product line).You can have everything, and still not have enough.
I'd give it all up, for just a little more.
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07-29-2018, 12:41 PM #2
JBHoren, thank you for that lovely answer!
I have always had difficulty in understanding the Aftershave aspect of shaving. Thinking about it as a "threesome" is, in a very weird kinda way...helpful lol. All three work together, synergistically.
An Aftershave with alcohol is desired for the "burn" and as an antibacterial, and astringent, and it's a plus if it's scented in the complimentary scent of the shaving soap. Yes ?
Still another question. Men say they like alcohol for the burn......burn implies heat to me. Does the alcohol have heat? or does it just sting?
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07-29-2018, 02:44 PM #3
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Thanked: 599You can have everything, and still not have enough.
I'd give it all up, for just a little more.
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07-29-2018, 02:55 PM #4
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07-29-2018, 06:07 PM #5
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Thanked: 599No... at least, not as a looked-for characteristic effect of an ASS's "burn". We're all unique "snowflakes", and each of us reacts/responds differently to these things. The "burn" we're discussing is momentary... fleeting... (almost) as soon as you feel it, it's gone. Perhaps during the cold of Winter one might feel a "heating" from an ASS; then again, many/most of us prep our beards with hot water and apply hot lather before shaving, then rinse our faces with hot water when we've finished, so... it's about "burn", not "sting", "hurt", or "heat"... at least, not for me.
I could be wrong (I was wrong once before), but I think that anyone who has a problem with alcohol-based ASSes is also someone who has a problem with leather strops, tallow-based soaps/creams, badger/boar brushes, and קורבנות (Biblical Hebrew for "burnt offerings", aka grilled meat)... they're probably the same ones who complain about "hard water" and difficulty lathering.You can have everything, and still not have enough.
I'd give it all up, for just a little more.
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07-31-2018, 12:48 PM #6
This has been a great morning read! Been lmao!
I think I'd agree with JBHoren but it's hard to describe the feeling. Let's see, it burns and stings a bit (stinging nicks), has heat that gives way to a cooler crisp clean feeling.
As I've said before I like a toner to balance the skin ph, heal, kill germs, astringent, etc. *dont like an aftershave that is sticky with obnoxious smell that conflicts with the other smells and feels like it's plugging pores. Would like matching products that have old school qualities yet have more advanced elements.
A choice between scented & non-scented would be ideal! ... otherwise why have cologne?
What my toner/aftershave is lacking is that iconic sting/burn/crisp feeling. It's a part of the ritual, and at the end of that ritual you get slapped in the face and spit out into the world, ready to battle the increasing tide of "pseudo-men", fembots, political correctness and other attempts at castration, denial of, and marginalization of Manliness. IMHO
I want my aftershave to implement the best science, and embrace traditions.
"Unapologetically Manly"Last edited by MikeT; 07-31-2018 at 12:53 PM.
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08-15-2018, 12:16 AM #7
Hi Mike! I'm really glad you're enjoying the read, and can promise more to come!
Now darlin, I tell ya true, I just had to highlight your comment because I LOVED IT! I laughed so hard @ pseudo-men, because it's so true! I grew up in an age, and "culture" I might add, where the men in my life as a young girl either had on a uniform, or their old one hung in the closet. And all the other men....were men too, and the women, were women! I like manly men, and as we've already established here, my special fondness for scoundrels and ruffians lol
And oddly enough.....I think for the first time I understand in my gut the mystery of the "alcohol burn". I can't thank you enough! My formulating just got notched up a level
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07-31-2018, 02:04 PM #8
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Thanked: 315As I understand it, the anti-septic quality of splash is also another part of what reduces irritation caused by bacteria.
Sting is probably a good word for it. The feeling definitely varies depending on whether you have nicks or raw areas!
Think Brut scene in thr movie Home Alone.
Witch Hazel is used by some guys here as a splash on (or it is an ingredient) because of its' antiseptic properties. I think it may have other benefits that alcohol doesn't. It is plant derived so people probably find that appealing.
I'm still a little league wet shaver so I haven't really experimented with products enough to be able to compare them as well as others here.
I've been trying goat's milk lotion as as an ASL lately since we had it at home. I've been thinking of mixing some alcohol/witch Hazel and vitamin E to make it more like an actual ASL.
JBHoren lost me with the "E" acronyms like EDC. I work at a gun counter so that means Every Day Carry (firearm) to me!!!
Talk about the "burn" reminded me of this old commercial.
https://youtu.be/EjcYmBBCQv8- Joshua
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07-31-2018, 02:38 PM #9
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Thanked: 98May just be me but I feel a good aftershave also seems to tighten my skin. Could just be placebo but there is something leathery almost.
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07-31-2018, 03:16 PM #10
I'm definitely flexible on the ingredients as long as the desired effects are achieved.
Home Alone also came to mind. Lol and that commercial was a good one, I'd have to say I like the grin and bare-it sting.
One point that I forgot to add: Putting a lotion on my skin after the aftershave, never liked the feeling.
If there was an aftershave that moistened without any oily smothering feeling, as well as achieving the effects of a good aftershave.. I think that would be a winner for me.
Wham bam all in one! ... I go in with a blade, bowl, brush.. have my shave cream and aftershave... just add water and we're in business.
Oh and on special nights I might bring out that fancy cologne my wife buys me without confusing the scent with the aftershave.
If you make one that has a special scent that you designed that's cool, I'd probably try it out, probably like it... but a neutral scent I would definitely buy because it allows me more options. Just a thought.“You must unlearn what you have learned.”
– Yoda