Thread: stones set

Hi,

For now I have :

Naniwa 1k/6k, Chinese 12K, Cox0.5 pasted balsa strop, clean strop. And lot of newspapers .

This is enought for honing and everyday maintain or here is something missing element ?

Thanks

I know it's hard to know, specially when you don't have anything else to compare it with. That's how HAD gets you. But you are the best judge for that. If its giving you good shaves, you have learned to get the most out of your stones!

I don't own a Chinese 12k (natural), but I have shaved with a blade finished with it, and it was a very good shave! However, I think there are other finishers that are better than the Chinese 12k. But having said that, maybe you can put something in between the 1k and the 6k, or go higher to a 10k, before the Chinese 12k? It's hard to say without having shaved with your blades. Double O

Originally Posted by Double0757

I know it's hard to know, specially when you don't have anything else to compare it with. That's how HAD gets you. But you are the best judge for that. If its giving you good shaves, you have learned to get the most out of your stones!

I don't own a Chinese 12k (natural), but I have shaved with a blade finished with it, and it was a very good shave! However, I think there are other finishers that are better than the Chinese 12k. But having said that, maybe you can put something in between the 1k and the 6k, or go higher to a 10k, before the Chinese 12k? It's hard to say without having shaved with your blades. Double O

Thanks, I'm new in this hobby, what you mean as "best finisher" ? I thinking about shapton 16K, but Cox0,5 - is these 16K, so there is no meaning.

Welcome to SRP. If it were me i would keep the theme going and replace the chinese 12k, with a Naniwa 12k, its a workhorse finisher that yields good results time after time, the chinese 12k is also a good stone if you get a good one but its very slow and its results can be all over the place.

Originally Posted by arunas999

Thanks, I'm new in this hobby, what you mean as "best finisher" ? I thinking about shapton 16K, but Cox0,5 - is these 16K, so there is no meaning.

"Better" finishers than the Chinesse 12k, like mention before, Naniwa 12k, Shapton glass 16k, Shapton glass 10k, Chossera 10k and others more. Higher numbers don't mean better all the time. There is more to the stone than just numbers, like binders and mediums.

Better naturals, Zulu Grey, Turingian (turi), Coticule (selected finisher), many J-Nats (Japanese Naturals) and many more. Not that the Chinese 12k is not a good finisher, but its quality from stone to stone are more variable than than other naturals, and you wouldn't know which one you have until you try others or you are an experience honer (or shaver for that matter) to know that the stone it's not doing its job as a finisher. If you are starting to maintain razors, the best for you is a synthetic stone (finisher as above) in combination with your CrOx paste.

The CrOx is a polisher that would maintain a well sharpen razor for some time before you need the stones again to sharpen it. Use it sparsely and not often to keep your razors. The CrOx we use is .5 micron, which I think is like a 20k on stones, but because of the stropping motion, it doesn't cut steel as efficient as a 20k stone, so, it polishes more than it cuts (sharpen). It still sharpens, but IMO, not as much as a stone.

My first finisher was the 16k Shapton glass In combination with CrOx. I found that the edge out of the 16k, for me, was sharp but a little harsh for my face. After using the pasted strop with CrOx, it smoothed the razor for a close and comfortable shave. I could go indefinitely with this combo for many years, as long as I don't let the edge deteriorate too much or damage the edge with a nail or bad stroping or something similar. Double O

Originally Posted by Double0757

"Better" finishers than the Chinesse 12k, like mention before, Naniwa 12k, Shapton glass 16k, Shapton glass 10k, Chossera 10k and others more. Higher numbers don't mean better all the time. There is more to the stone than just numbers, like binders and mediums.

Better naturals, Zulu Grey, Turingian (turi), Coticule (selected finisher), many J-Nats (Japanese Naturals) and many more. Not that the Chinese 12k is not a good finisher, but its quality from stone to stone are more variable than than other naturals, and you wouldn't know which one you have until you try others or you are an experience honer (or shaver for that matter) to know that the stone it's not doing its job as a finisher. If you are starting to maintain razors, the best for you is a synthetic stone (finisher as above) in combination with your CrOx paste.

The CrOx is a polisher that would maintain a well sharpen razor for some time before you need the stones again to sharpen it. Use it sparsely and not often to keep your razors. The CrOx we use is .5 micron, which I think is like a 20k on stones, but because of the stropping motion, it doesn't cut steel as efficient as a 20k stone, so, it polishes more than it cuts (sharpen). It still sharpens, but IMO, not as much as a stone.

My first finisher was the 16k Shapton glass In combination with CrOx. I found that the edge out of the 16k, for me, was sharp but a little harsh for my face. After using the pasted strop with CrOx, it smoothed the razor for a close and comfortable shave. I could go indefinitely with this combo for many years, as long as I don't let the edge deteriorate too much or damage the edge with a nail or bad stroping or something similar. Double O

Thanks !!! So.... I set the bevel with naniwa 1k, after that I did some polisching on naniwa 6K, and then spend 1 hour wiht no-pressure x-strokes on chinese - at least 200 strokes) . After this long-lasting Zen expirience razor (Klas Tornblom 5/8 sweden) did not passes HHT, it shaves, but shaving is very uncorfortable !!! So.... any ideas ?

Today I planning one more meditation session (This chinese stone has no ability to cut the steel, but it seems to have ability to induce trance like state of mind. You know, it so smooth ).

Also today i did ordered naniwa 10 K. And I planing to use this progression : naniwa 1K, naniwa 6K, naniwa 10K, Cox 0.5, newspaper, strop. What You think ?

Comments from any member is very welcome !!!

Simple: Find a honing mentor, I'm not kidding. Most can get a razor knife sharp, but a comfortable shaving edge is something that is a learned skill. Pressure and feel/feedback is something you need to be shown. Magnification really helps when it comes to actually seeing what the stones are doing to the edge and bevel. You might consider a cheap magnifier like the Radio Shack pocket microscope that's less than $20.

Add your location so that members can know the general area you are from...for all I know you could live next door or across the world.

Originally Posted by shooter74743

Simple: Find a honing mentor, I'm not kidding. Most can get a razor knife sharp, but a comfortable shaving edge is something that is a learned skill. Pressure and feel/feedback is something you need to be shown. Magnification really helps when it comes to actually seeing what the stones are doing to the edge and bevel. You might consider a cheap magnifier like the Radio Shack pocket microscope that's less than $20.

Add your location so that members can know the general area you are from...for all I know you could live next door or across the world.

I'm from Lithuania. In my city (or even in my country) propably it's imposible to find mentor. There is some straight users, but they not good in sharpening art. I'm allready have 50x-80x microscope. I have 3 razors for now, one of them is passes HHT easy. Under 80x my Klas Tornblom's edge seems the same as the shave ready edge. On thumb feel its feels as sharp as shave ready. Today I'll check flatness of C12 and try to spend more time on it.

So... my stone is flat, but it has crack



and when I stroke endlong through stone with finger it feels very clearly. I think this is the problem with keeps my away from succesful HHT. So I have 50% of the stone and since it is to short to make x-strokes I did only circles. HHT stil was not succesful. After all today in morning I had shaving, which I can rate as 80/100 it means it shaves, no redness on face after shave, but I still leaves me wanting more sharpness.