Thread: Tam O Shanter hones

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Richard - the one on the paddle below was once mine and did a great job:



And below is an image from the web showing the label of a white tam:



You can see it says 'for very fine polishing' whereas the more usual label for the less fine tams usually says that they are for hedge-knives, sheep-shears and axes.

Regards,
Neil

Following up, did you use it with lather, water, slurry, oil?

I'm in the "I've seen alot of em on ebay" camp of lookers.

Walter, please excuse the mini-jacking.

Originally Posted by Siguy

Following up, did you use it with lather, water, slurry, oil?

I'm in the "I've seen alot of em on ebay" camp of lookers.

Walter, please excuse the mini-jacking.

Totally on topic IMO,
Naturals are an adventure all there own.
Please elude Neil
the OP has paved a heck of an entrance and I am narrowing my first venture into Nat's.

Well, I think it is more or less true that a thin oil enhances the use of a fair number of natural honestones (eg LIs, slates, CFs, arkies, hindoos, etc - I have even got a number of very old coticules that were used with oil). I know that thuringians say keep away from oil, though!

I have used a thin oil with a tam, and I am of the opinion that it does improve the edge - only slightly, but it is noticeable. It is messy, however, so I changed to a thin honing oil that was miscible with water - still a bit messy, then glycerine - good, but sticky and needs washing off.

Eventually I settled on using a few drops of dish soap in the final honing water, or slathering the stone with shaving lather. Not quite as good an improvement as oil, but a lot cleaner!

Regards,
Neil

The finest stone I have ever tried, aside from two Jnats I have, was a white TOS. Much finer than any Thuri, Charnleys, C12ks, fine slates, man made stones etc. I have tried, and best of all, the edge was not harsh at all.
I did found a big difference in performance when using oil (Smith's solution) compared to water, but it could also be because of the suction with water, I use slightly heavier pressure because of that.
First it seemed strange that an 6k stone could be so extremely fine, but as Mr. Henk says in his notes, they can be from 6k to final finishers.

Originally Posted by Vasilis

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First it seemed strange that an 6k stone could be so extremely fine, but as Mr. Henk says in his notes, they can be from 6k to final finishers.

I do like giving credit where it's due, and in this case it is due to owners of the Water of Ayr & Tam O'Shanter Hone Stone Works in Ayrshire, who pointed the differences out between the normal TOS and the white TOS at least 100 years ago.

The history of the mine and its owners goes back far into history - a quarry existed in 1789. A Mr Smith was involved in one of the quarries (stones from other quarries - Craiksland and Meikledale - were eventually brought to main quarry and sold from there) and in Mauchline ware, a decorative kind of wooden box, so we find a lot of WoA and TOS hone stones in these small boxes adorned with pictures, quite a few extolling the work of Robert Burns. The owners that most of us are familiar with are the Montgomerie family, of course. A fine cutting grade of WoA was named the Montgomerie Stone and it seems that yet another type of TOS came from the Meikledale quarry.

We may use (erroneously) grit ratings as a means of comparison, but back then they rightly eschewed that notion and denoted the stones as coarse, medium, fine and very fine. Both systems are equally applicable (given certain caveats) but Kudos for pointing this out in regards to Tams belongs in Ayrshire, Scotland.

There is an article on the web, aimed at woodworkers, on the use of jargon concerning abrasives. The author distinguishes betwen the new and the old simply by terming them 'newspeak' and 'oldspeak' - at least he realises that there isn't much new under the sun!

Regards,
Neil

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

I do like giving credit where it's due, and in this case it is due to owners of the Water of Ayr & Tam O'Shanter Hone Stone Works in Ayrshire, who pointed the differences out between the normal TOS and the white TOS at least 100 years ago.

The history of the mine and its owners goes back far into history - a quarry existed in 1789. A Mr Smith was involved in one of the quarries (stones from other quarries - Craiksland and Meikledale - were eventually brought to main quarry and sold from there) and in Mauchline ware, a decorative kind of wooden box, so we find a lot of WoA and TOS hone stones in these small boxes adorned with pictures, quite a few extolling the work of Robert Burns. The owners that most of us are familiar with are the Montgomerie family, of course. A fine cutting grade of WoA was named the Montgomerie Stone and it seems that yet another type of TOS came from the Meikledale quarry.

We may use (erroneously) grit ratings as a means of comparison, but back then they rightly eschewed that notion and denoted the stones as coarse, medium, fine and very fine. Both systems are equally applicable (given certain caveats) but Kudos for pointing this out in regards to Tams belongs in Ayrshire, Scotland.

Regards,
Neil

Yes Neil, you are right, the owners of Water of Ayr and TOS stones did grade their stones, with the white stone always (? ) being finer than the darker, and above both varieties the WOA stone as a finisher. I guess that stone is an exception.

Am I correct in assuming that this is NOT a TOS White?

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