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    The tough thing to do with the atomas is to actually wear them out (with tools). It's easy to wear out DMT's regular offerings with tools, but the atomas get slower and slower and/but never actually give up.

    After seeing Neil's trouble with acquisition, I feel pretty good about only having 8 full sized hones/plates...well, I guess that's the same number, but none are the DGLP for me.

    I love the ezelaps for tools (polycrystalline diamonds - they just get finer and finer but always have a sharp cut), but they aren't as good for stone lapping as the monocrystalline hones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveW View Post
    The tough thing to do with the atomas is to actually wear them out (with tools). It's easy to wear out DMT's regular offerings with tools, but the atomas get slower and slower and/but never actually give up.

    After seeing Neil's trouble with acquisition, I feel pretty good about only having 8 full sized hones/plates...well, I guess that's the same number, but none are the DGLP for me.

    I love the ezelaps for tools (polycrystalline diamonds - they just get finer and finer but always have a sharp cut), but they aren't as good for stone lapping as the monocrystalline hones.
    I am looking at my honing station as I type, Dave...

    On it are all the diamond ones I mentioned plus a usless double-sided perforated one (totally useless) that I forgot about, alongside:-

    a full set of choseras
    a snow-white naniwa 8k,
    a 16k and a 30k shapton glass stone,
    15k pro shapton,
    a la veinette and a les latneuses coticule,
    a large yellow-spotted BBW,
    a small celebrated water hone,
    a small escher brand hone,
    2x dalmore blues,
    4x TOS,
    1x llyn idwal and 1x charnley forest,
    a smoky and a white translucent arkansas,
    a 20k suehiro gokumyo or whatever its called,
    a green thuringian.

    Under the desk sits a box containing more dalmores, LIs, purple slates, a dozen CFs, two coticules. Alongside that is a pile of boxed hones including CFs, LIs, coticules, 8 celebrated water hones, three canbrock silkstones, several green slates and several unidentified hones. In my shed there are more. Upstairs there are more...

    I feel sick....
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    Neil
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    It just happens a little at a time, doesn't it? And then suddenly you have a reason to count what you have and you feel like a pig.

    I don't have CFs you have, and I like to think of myself as someone who doesn't have coticules, but still there are two "good" ones and a slurry in my cabinet.

    I think I must have 20 pike mine washitas and hard stones (translucents and blacks) and 10 large japanese hones, as well as as an 821/825 frictionite pair, a bunch of synthetics, a bunch of india and carborundum hones (that are nice tool user stones) and a bunch of slates/aoto types of western and chinese, a couple of jasper hones and one of those goofy chinese agate stones. And on top of the bench beside what stones are out is an IM 313 (which isn't very useful for razors).

    The trouble for me is that I derive no income from anything razor related (nor from tools or knives). It's all a product of being a pig. Shameful, I guess.

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    I am in the same stye, Dave! I do occasionally sell off stones surplus to requirements, though.

    Like you, I don't like to think of myself as a coticuleer - the two I have are the best out of 80 or so that have gone through my hands. Most seem to give a dependable but rather average edge.

    I have not tried the jasper or agate but would like to do so - trouble is getting them in a reasonable size at a reasonable price and being reasonably sure you are getting what you pay for!

    I would really like to get a usable sized piece of haematite to test, but that seems like a pipe dream.

    I suppose we could always build small fall-out shelters (I would line mine with lead and tin foil) and emerge to be the only honers around. Would there be any customers left, though....

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    Me, too, on the surplus....well sort of. I've never figured myself as someone who buys in excess, and have sold probably 30 or 40 stones off (maybe more) in the last decade. Often based on the guilt that comes with the realization that I've bought 5 in a month or so. It was easier to sell off stones when I had more that I didn't like.

    I wonder what an igloo of arkansas stones would look like?

    WRT the agates and the jaspers, the biggs and owyhee jaspers (two fairly consistent and fine types) are inexpensive here, but often a quarter of an inch thick and need to be glued to something. They are so hard it's ridiculous, and I haven't used any on razors yet - they make a fantastic follow-up to a coarser stone for tools because they are super hard and chase a burr without leaving much else. By inexpensive, I mean that you might be able to get a 6x4 piece of owyhee jasper for about ten bucks, and they are slabbed for jewelry makers, so some manner of flat and polished.

    To make one ideal for a razor and have a good clean edge with a chamfer could be a challenge. Glue it down to a wood carrier first and then use a diamond tile cutter maybe to true an edge. The only stone that I've ever used that's harder is the spyderco UF. Non-trued edge is no big deal for tools.

    "large jasper slab" and the word "owyhee" or "biggs" are search strings I'd use on ebay if I were looking for more. I've got two of each, and they are very consistent. The more boring looking the stone, the better and more uniform the surface.

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    Save up your money and treat yourself to a Shapton diamond plate, you won't regret it.

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    Here's another "diamond plate" to try if you're curious, the Tsuboman Atoma "foil". The only vendor I know of is Stuart Tierney at Tools From Japan, but this foil is made differently from the regular Atoma plates. The dots are much more dense and the foil is not as aggressive right out of the box.

    I wish I could give more information about its performance except that it's very good (fewer scratches) as a nagura compared to the plate, but I've just started testing it. I hope a link is not inappropriate.

    Tsuboman Atoma 'paper'. : Tools from Japan, Japanese woodworking tools direct from Japan.

    Cheers, Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve56 View Post
    Here's another "diamond plate" to try if you're curious, the Tsuboman Atoma "foil". The only vendor I know of is Stuart Tierney at Tools From Japan, but this foil is made differently from the regular Atoma plates. The dots are much more dense and the foil is not as aggressive right out of the box.

    I wish I could give more information about its performance except that it's very good (fewer scratches) as a nagura compared to the plate, but I've just started testing it. I hope a link is not inappropriate.

    Tsuboman Atoma 'paper'. : Tools from Japan, Japanese woodworking tools direct from Japan.
    Also of interest are the Atoma Diamond Replacement Sheets. Given that they're thin and magnetic, 75mm x 210mm (2.95" x 8.27"), they ought to fit quite nicely on the SRD Modular Paddle Strops or those older HandAmerican metal honing platforms-- how about them apples?! 140-, 400-, 600-, and 1,200-grits available. Of course, I've no clue whether the price is a winner, or a show stopper.
    You can have everything, and still not have enough.
    I'd give it all up, for just a little more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBHoren View Post
    Also of interest are the Atoma Diamond Replacement Sheets. Given that they're thin and magnetic, 75mm x 210mm (2.95" x 8.27"), they ought to fit quite nicely on the SRD Modular Paddle Strops or those older HandAmerican metal honing platforms-- how about them apples?! 140-, 400-, 600-, and 1,200-grits available. Of course, I've no clue whether the price is a winner, or a show stopper.
    I did not know they were magnetic, thanks for the post! Learn something every day.

    Cheers, Steve

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    That is virtually the same stuff the atoma replacement sheets are made from, except with a copper centre instead of a thin steel sheet. Dieter Schmidt in Germany sells it (Fine Tools) along with the plates and the replacement sheets and a host of waterstones - a great site.

    Regards,
    Neil
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