Thread: Help please

Hey guys, I scored these as part of a lovely gift from my mate (OP is here)

These 2 hones were part of it the first is this one




It says on the hone itself "Aloxite - The Carborundum Co. Niagara Falls USA"

On the "lid" of the box it has what appears to be a "K" and a "5" intertwined in a circle that has the words "Aloxite, Niagara Falls"

It looks like it may be a oil stone rather than a water stone due to the surface and texture of the hone. Any information would be great!

The second is this German one.

On the lid of the box it has a man holding a knife, he is wearing a hat, there appears to be 2 words, one above the man and one below, I can only make out the bottom word, it says "Schleifminel" I gather that is a brand (?)

As you can see from the photos it is comes with 2 other stones.

The writing in German says "Seit Jahrzehnten geniessen unsere echten Wassersteine Weltruf, sodass wir zu ihrer empfehlung nichts weiter zu sagen brauchen, zumal ein Versuch leicht jedermann von ihrer ganz hervorragenden Gute uberzeugen wird. Man hute sich vor minderwertigen Nachahmungen, den was nutzt es, einige Pfennige beim Einkauf zu sparen und einen Stein ze erstehen, der keine Schnelde erzeugt oder die Messer verdirbt? Nur echt mit der gesetzlich geschl Marke " Rasierstube" und dem Namenszug.

Gebrauchsanweisung

Die steine greifen besser an, wenn die mit einem Aufreibstein gebraucht werden. Man gibt dabei etwas reines Wasser auf den Stein un reibt mit dem Aufreiber, bis ein feiner Schleim entsteht, dann zieht man das messer ab, Indem man es flach auf den Stein legt und gegen die schneide abzieht, wobei man das messer von rechts oben nach links unten uber den stein fuhrt, es dann uber den Rucken umdreht und von links oben nach rechts unten iuhrt. Man wird so schnell eine unubertrefilich feine und dauerhafte schneide erzeugen Nach dem gebrauch is der stein gut zu reinigen. oel und Fett sind unbedingt fernzuhalten"

via google translate it says "For decades, our true water stones enjoy a worldwide reputation, so we need not say anything to her recommendation, especially since an attempt is easily convince anyone of their very excellent Good. You hute before inferior imitations, the what use is it to save a few pennies when shopping and a stone ze purchase that does not generate Schnelde or the knife spoils? Only genuine with the legally closed brand "barber" and the signature.

Instructions

The stones attack better when needed with a Aufreibstein. It is something of pure water on the stone un rubs with the reamer until a fine mucus is produced, then you pull out the knife, flat By putting it on the stone and subtracting against the cut, whereby the knife from top right to over the stone leads the bottom left, then over the back and turns iuhrt from top left to bottom right. It is as fast a unubertrefilich fine and lasting cut produce use to clean After the stone is of good. oel and fat must be kept away"




Any info on what these are and possible levels of grit, use and so forth would most appreciated

You got real lucky...

That Escher.... Oh my, It's missing the original rubbing stone but in it's own right It's probably the most sought after natural hone that is not Japanese. You have a very nice score there!

The Escher is a finishing stone. You should be able to improve a 12K edge with it.

I would advise you to get a box for it, and store the cardboard box. As the labels make the stone and box worth a lot of money. Without the box it's worth significantly less. You should be able to make a wooden box for it pretty easily.


The barbers hone should be used with shaving lather. You only use them to touch up a razor. 4-10 strokes is the most you will ever do on one. Modine has done extensive tests on these hones and I think yours is listed.

http://www.razorandstone.com/showthr...rber-hone-test

You got crazy lucky with the Escher, magnificent hone. Congrats.

Does the Escher sill have the label or at least part of the label on the back? If is does you should cover it up to preserve it. An Escher without a label is really just a Thuringian and worth quite a bit less. They are the most sought after finishers for razors and high end woodworking tools and I'm sure huh end kitchen knives too.

Great catch. You are one lucky guy.

Hey Rez,

No label left, both hones have been well used, the Escher wants a lapping and I'm sure the aloxite one could benefit from some as well. They both develop a slurry very quickly.

Congrats looks like a Barbers Delight...whats on the front of the Package ?

Thats mine...
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7389/...7ffc6b_c_d.jpg

Edited: checked the OP, seems to be a BTC Escher Stone (Bösenberg Trinks & Co.)...pictures of the remaining front cover are appreciated...

Originally Posted by andrewmurray86

Hey Rez,

No label left, both hones have been well used, the Escher wants a lapping and I'm sure the aloxite one could benefit from some as well. They both develop a slurry very quickly.

The label only reflect resale, maybe not that much with the box. They are really great hones. I'm not sure if barbers hones should slurry though. None of mine do and I'd expect that may change with a good lapping.

The Escher is the holy grail of stones in my opinion. After some practice and successfully getting the Escher edge you won't ever want anything different. It is hard to master but a beautiful hone. You are lucky my friend!

I'm sure you won't be selling the Escher after you feel what it does to a razor. You can always keep an eye on them on ebay to see how much they go for. I always watch for them but never buy because I don't have that kind of coin to spend on hones at the moment. If your interested in the inflation check out the original price list and compare it to what they are going for. Man am I jealous right now!! If your having trouble getting the escher to improve the edge, see if there is a pro around your area that will help you out. It tremendously improved my honing and my ability to use an escher after sitting down with some local guys.

Originally Posted by RezDog

The label only reflect resale, maybe not that much with the box. They are really great hones. I'm not sure if barbers hones should slurry though. None of mine do and I'd expect that may change with a good lapping.

The instructions seem to indicate that it wants you to build a slurry, on the Escher anyway. It comes with the "reamer stone" as the translation indicates. The aloxite one builds a slurry very fast too. Although I'm sure you could use both without the slurry. I sent an email off to the Carborundum Co finishing for information.