Thread: SG 16k or ZG

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Simplicty = Bevel set - Sharpen - Polish - Finish

Never been a fan of the Bevel - Sharpen - Finish, Finish, Finish, Finish, school of honing, have always figured there is only so much steel in that less then 1/2 Micron edge

Agree with that. Especially once a razor is in shape and shaving well. It's like..

.. polish...finish.

I prefer Pieces of Eight, thanks for the education, definitely some I have never heard or read before!

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Readies
Nelson Eddys
Dosh
Spondulics
Moola
Shekels
Dough
Lucre
Brass
Bread
Green
Bucks
Wherewithal
Loot
Mazumah
Dinero
Folding
Wedge
Necessary
Beer Tokens
Wad
Dibbs
Gelt
Lolly
Poppy
Smackers
Sobs/Sovs
etc, etc, etc

Savvy, Kimosabe?!

Originally Posted by WW243

Neil Miller said: wonga, please define. I can put in two possibilities, one monetary one anatomical.......what mean Kimosabe?

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You would do well to have Neil as your "goombah".

He lives too far away for me to kiss his ring.....

Originally Posted by mrsell63

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You would do well to have Neil as your "goombah".

Hey, I'll bet the first two are Cockney rhyming slang

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Readies
Nelson Eddys
Dosh
Spondulics
Moola
Shekels
Dough
Lucre
Brass
Bread
Green
Bucks
Wherewithal
Loot
Mazumah
Dinero
Folding
Wedge
Necessary
Beer Tokens
Wad
Dibbs
Gelt
Lolly
Poppy
Smackers
Sobs/Sovs
etc, etc, etc

Savvy, Kimosabe?!

Originally Posted by WW243

Hey, I'll bet the first two are Cockney rhyming slang

You'd better adam and eve it, china...

Regards,
Neil (ring kissing optional) Miller

My first natural was a Zulu grey and I had Shapton 16k glass along with the 4 & 8k with a Chosera 1k. I still do. My best edges of the Zulu came after the 16k SG then the Zulu with very light slury to water. Sometimes I lost some sharpness and others I didn't. But the comfort level always was more appealing to my than the 16k with paste.

After many moons I started to get as good an edge on the Zulu by going from 8 k to the Zulu with slury and dressing the stone with higher grit natural like a turi or Atoma 1200 laping stone. In other words, my honing got better and I feel confident going from 8 k to Zulu and feel the edge is very similar to an edge that was done on the 16k and then Zulu.

Either way you do it, I feel you get quicker to a very nice natural edge using the 16k before the Zulu.

By the way, the SG16K and the SS12k have very similar particles size. Don't remember the number but some one can come with the facts easier than me at this time (handicap with slow wifi).

I go straight from my Shapton 8k to the ZG. I've found that it helps to lap the ZG before each use and definitely start with a medium slurry dilute once or twice and then some on water and a few final strokes on a barely wet stone - this has given me some of the sharpest and smoothest edges ever and I have a very nice jnat, full set of Shaptons up to 30k, Escher, and a coticule to compare to as well as my old nortons and 12 and 20k synthetics.

I also use my clinical microscope to look at my edges and find the ZG to have very consistent particle size when compared to my coticule for example. It's become my favorite hone and I think when used correctly it is slow but not 100 strokes slow. It is very dense and hard and takes some time and pressure to build a decent slurry with the included slurry stone. I've also used a small dmt to raise a slurry but I don't like stray large diamonds on my finishing hones....

John

Ok John maybe you can give me some advice. I am fairly new to honing and I hone on the Nortons 1,4,8. I am getting close comfortable shaves that are not quite as keen or smooth as I would like and I just got a Zulu with its slurry stone. In your opinion how should I proceed?
You mention in your post about the Zulu being used correctly can you elaborate? And can I go from my Norton 8k edge to the Zulu with slurry or do I need higher pre-finisher? How would you proceed if you were me?