Thread: Imperia la Roccia 7 x 2-1/2 x 3/4 Natural Stone 12-15K Review

Originally Posted by Slurryer

That's a signature with a story indeed!
50 passes on this blade doesn't equate the same on that blade... Good food for thought, and might explain some of of what I'm observing.Still haven't gotten much testing experience, mostly because of the time it seems to take get a feel for things. But I'm running out of hairs on my left hand. So I'm either going to invest in some Acme Hair Tonic, or get a better method of testing.

Thanks for the advice Brother
Viva La Razor!

Been a while. Any follow up?
Best regards,

Originally Posted by bigeasy1

Been a while. Any follow up?
Best regards,

Perhaps, being the vendor, you should finally provide the details on the provenance of the hones that people have been asking about.

Seriously, ..... Glad I read this thread now as was kinda considering trying this stone.. (duno why really as I have plenty proven finishers at my disposal) but I too would really like to know the true origin of this stone,, or I would feel a bit 'mugged' regardless of the price..
Is this another case of 'made in China' being passed off as made in 'Italy' this time?
Shame if it is, coz I would have actually purchased the stone regardless of it coming from China, as the price is very reasonable for a finisher compared to the proven stones of pedigree,,, but to be deceived over the origin of said item of interest does put me off purchasing big time!

I tested one of these for several weeks, and it was able to provide a very keen edge but it wasn't the most comfortable according to my face at least. For me, not on the same level as a good Thuri or JNat. It gives a plenty keen enough edge for a WTG shave, but the comfort wasn't there on ATG passes. The best edges I got were finishing on light slurry a la JNat and alternatively with the stone super smoothed like an Ark. I have about 30 natural finishing stones and a few of the better synthetic finishers to compare with.

Originally Posted by ToolFiendG

Seriously, ..... Glad I read this thread now as was kinda considering trying this stone.. (duno why really as I have plenty proven finishers at my disposal) but I too would really like to know the true origin of this stone,, or I would feel a bit 'mugged' regardless of the price..
Is this another case of 'made in China' being passed off as made in 'Italy' this time?
Shame if it is, coz I would have actually purchased the stone regardless of it coming from China, as the price is very reasonable for a finisher compared to the proven stones of pedigree,,, but to be deceived over the origin of said item of interest does put me off purchasing big time!

Oh, I seem to recognize a lot of names for the likes above, and the added comment below.
It has never been our intention to deceive anyone. There was a mention very early of Imperia Italy. This is not the case. China is also not the case. Excuse me, but perhaps all of you would like to give me your sources for all of the items you sell?
If any of you believe it to be deceitful to withhold the origin of the stone, so be it. We consider that information to be trade secret. We do consider it deceitful to purchase a stone on ebay, without questions, and then cancel the order after using your purchase as leverage to get an answer to this question. The offender is here, but I expect others had a grand laugh over it as well.

Mr. Kretz test is on another major forum. For anyone who wishes to look, the very first pic, on the very first post, is of a blade so covered with pitting that the dark round spots extending into the bevel are very obvious. I would have no doubt that he would not be able to get a shaveable edge from any stone. especially if he does not know what is considered the proper way to use a slurrying slate stone.
Have a grand evening,

Originally Posted by bigeasy1

Oh, I seem to recognize a lot of names for the likes above, and the added comment below.
It has never been our intention to deceive anyone. There was a mention very early of Imperia Italy. This is not the case. China is also not the case. Excuse me, but perhaps all of you would like to give me your sources for all of the items you sell?

So this time a well appreciated Thanks for this statement....probably a step to get some plus point...

Originally Posted by bigeasy1

Oh, I seem to recognize a lot of names for the likes above, and the added comment below.
It has never been our intention to deceive anyone. There was a mention very early of Imperia Italy. This is not the case. China is also not the case. Excuse me, but perhaps all of you would like to give me your sources for all of the items you sell?
If any of you believe it to be deceitful to withhold the origin of the stone, so be it. We consider that information to be trade secret. We do consider it deceitful to purchase a stone on ebay, without questions, and then cancel the order after using your purchase as leverage to get an answer to this question. The offender is here, but I expect others had a grand laugh over it as well.

Mr. Kretz test is on another major forum. For anyone who wishes to look, the very first pic, on the very first post, is of a blade so covered with pitting that the dark round spots extending into the bevel are very obvious. I would have no doubt that he would not be able to get a shaveable edge from any stone. especially if he does not know what is considered the proper way to use a slurrying slate stone.
Have a grand evening,

Riiiight. Because it's not possible to hone past any bad steel. Have a good look at that picture again, there's no pitting anywhere near the edge. This was not the only razor I tested with either, FYI. I won't bother to address the rest of your silly and insulting comment. I'm not the one being deceptive... And I have no motive to call it any other way than what it is. I am not the only person who arrived at the same conclusion either - plenty of well known and respected members have found the same as I did. You will be lucky if this thread doesn't get locked also if you keep up the rude and disrespectful comments.

I agree with eKretz. I was hanging back reading. I was shocked and surprised with the vendor's comments. This will not help the support of the hone in the straight razor community

Bigeasy1 you have been and continue to be deceptive about the very reasonable source questions that have been put to you.

"We consider that information to be a trade secret" simply put is more deception and absolute rubbish as one of my favorite members would say.

Bigeasy1,

What is dishonest, misleading, and deceitful is:

• Not disclosing for months your vested interest in the sale of these hones and acting as if you're just an unrelated bystander.
• Naming a stone with a specific locale it has nothing to do with.
• Not clearing the provenance confusion you created - e.g. you could've stated that "the name has nothing to do with the respective region in Italy" but instead have very intentionally chosen to ignore the requests for clarification.
• Keeping your sourcing 'trade secret' is no excuse for being misleading. Being a part of this community of sharing and learning comes with a responsibility to it, not just to lining your pockets.

Furthermore, you have been violating the site terms:

• Your repeated postings on the forums attempting to bring attention to products you sell constitute unauthorized marketing.
• Your bringing your customer disputes here. You need to manage your business at your business venues.

Due to your conduct over an extended period of time and your refusal to even recognize the problems with it you are no longer welcome on our site.