Thread: Ivory Speckled Hone ID?

Originally Posted by Vasilis

There is also a chance that many of the Hindostan stones that appear above, or anywhere in that matter (without means of identification like a label), are from Canada. And, I think there are more than one types of Canadian stones with the characteristic Hindostan layered pattern, that could also be fine, like a Hindostan. And in my case, I can't tell them apart from pictures.

Yeah ive seen the posts...but from which point do you take your conclusion on this Vasilis....

I hope that you dont take this depending on the only available post where Hatzicho showed up a layered "canadian oilstone"....

Do you have any other documented evidence or knowledge on this theory ?

Originally Posted by doorsch

Yeah ive seen the posts...but from which point do you take your conclusion on this Vasilis....

I hope that you dont take this depending on the only available post where Hatzicho showed up a layered "canadian oilstone"....

Do you have any other documented evidence or knowledge on this theory ?

I am on this with Vasislis as tehre is in my opinion enough evidence to support it.
However for those who will now go and start reading please be mindfull as there are also Canadian Oilstones which do not show the charcteristic layering.

Originally Posted by adrspach

I am on this with Vasislis as tehre is in my opinion enough evidence to support it.
However for those who will now go and start reading please be mindfull as there are also Canadian Oilstones which do not show the charcteristic layering.

Would you mind to post some of your findings? To get me right i mean literature or other documented things.....

My findings about Canadian Oilstone even thought are limited are already posted here and on other forums. I do believe Neill Miller also posted here something on this topic.
Otherwise if you will be near my neck of the woods let me know in advance and I will get them ready that you can have your own play with them. Nothing is better than own hands on experience . You can not google that.

Originally Posted by adrspach

My findings about Canadian Oilstone even thought are limited are already posted here and on other forums. I do believe Neill Miller also posted here something on this topic.
Otherwise if you will be near my neck of the woods let me know in advance and I will get them ready that you can have your own play with them. Nothing is better than own hands on experience . You can not google that.

Iam shure you know that the past 1 1/2 years i did research quite a lot on this topic, shurely not alone and together with others. Actually i just miss the evidence or better said the link to the Canadian Oilstone (The Magog Oilstones) as it was mentioned here to be a layered Stone....or as Vasilis mentioned

"And, I think there are more than one types of Canadian stones with the characteristic Hindostan layered pattern, that could also be fine, like a Hindostan."

So again iam just interested from where this theory comes from, and i do want to provide any misinformation or misinterpretation. Actually the older historic sources mention the following:

"colours, grayish white, fracture, and yellowish brown"

The older Literatur thankfully posted from Martin here on SRP in this Thread
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ilstone-2.html

Up to date i found not other sources (browsing and reading around 200pages) naming a layered structure or pattern.
Thats why is asked if there is any evidence or if the refence was only made due a post concerning a picture of the Canadian Oilstone showing a layering....

which was the post from Vasilis here:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ml#post1283700

and for shure i read the statements made from Neil:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ml#post1283726

Originally Posted by doorsch

Iam shure you know that the past 1 1/2 years i did research quite a lot on this topic, shurely not alone and together with others. Actually i just miss the evidence or better said the link to the Canadian Oilstone (The Magog Oilstones) as it was mentioned here to be a layered Stone....or as Vasilis mentioned

"And, I think there are more than one types of Canadian stones with the characteristic Hindostan layered pattern, that could also be fine, like a Hindostan."

So again iam just interested from where this theory comes from, and i do want to provide any misinformation or misinterpretation. Actually the older historic sources mention the following:

"colours, grayish white, fracture, and yellowish brown"

The older Literatur thankfully posted from Martin here on SRP in this Thread
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ilstone-2.html

Up to date i found not other sources (browsing and reading around 200pages) naming a layered structure or pattern.
Thats why is asked if there is any evidence or if the refence was only made due a post concerning a picture of the Canadian Oilstone showing a layering....

which was the post from Vasilis here:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ml#post1283700

and for shure i read the statements made from Neil:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ml#post1283726

Unfortunately, we can't assume that any layered novaculite stone that comes from Canada is a Magog oilstone. The same way, I'm sure that Turkish oilstone in it's majority comes from Crete, and that Grecian stone came from the same quarry the Llyn Idwal stone was extracted. It could very well be true, but since there are no evidence to support that, such as labels, papers from owners of the quarries or the Flyers we every now and then see with prices and description of the stones, everything remains a speculation.
Even on those old books we find and read, part of what is written could be true and part rumors.
Now, finding references in the book and checking their sources is impossible after all these years, THUS a layered Canadian stone is just a layered Canadian stone, unless it has a label. Then, it's a Celebrated Canada oil stone. And when we find a stone with a label that actually has the word Magog on it, then, after some testing by a lot of hone experts, we can be somewhat certain that those two stones come from the same place, and that would be something in the community of HADdicts.

And all that just to remind that not all stones that look like a Hindostan is a Hindostan. On your previous comment, no, I wasn't referring to the Magog thread, nor Hatzicho's stone. I have seen a few Canadian layered stones being sold (the labeled ones, not the seller's comments), and not all of them had the same labels, nor all looked the same. Some darker, some even white, with thin or thick layers, but so far, no Magog.

If anyone has one, please share it with us!

Originally Posted by Vasilis

Unfortunately, we can't assume that any layered novaculite stone that comes from Canada is a Magog oilstone. The same way, I'm sure that Turkish oilstone in it's majority comes from Crete, and that Grecian stone came from the same quarry the Llyn Idwal stone was extracted. It could very well be true, but since there are no evidence to support that, such as labels, papers from owners of the quarries or the Flyers we every now and then see with prices and description of the stones, everything remains a speculation.
Even on those old books we find and read, part of what is written could be true and part rumors.
Now, finding references in the book and checking their sources is impossible after all these years, THUS a layered Canadian stone is just a layered Canadian stone, unless it has a label. Then, it's a Celebrated Canada oil stone. And when we find a stone with a label that actually has the word Magog on it, then, after some testing by a lot of hone experts, we can be somewhat certain that those two stones come from the same place, and that would be something in the community of HADdicts.

And all that just to remind that not all stones that look like a Hindostan is a Hindostan. On your previous comment, no, I wasn't referring to the Magog thread, nor Hatzicho's stone. I have seen a few Canadian layered stones being sold (the labeled ones, not the seller's comments), and not all of them had the same labels, nor all looked the same. Some darker, some even white, with thin or thick layers, but so far, no Magog.

If anyone has one, please share it with us!

Thanks Vasilis for your further explanation, because that was that what i expected....

Even we do not know if a labelled Celebrated Canadian Oilstone really comes from Canada ;-) just as an example that you brought up with the Turkey Stone....

Yeah it would be Interesting to see a real piece of Magog which is actually hard to come over because the Island is private property...and the water has rised since the years went by...