Thread: Pressure!

Originally Posted by onimaru55

Nope , quite the opposite. The lighter the presure the more your honing wil concentrate on the apex & mimic using tape.

Pressure will always flex the razor & hone the bevel more than the edge.

This is what I got out of the comment also. And we went from frown to warp ?

I like to take care of all my "issues " at the 1k level. From then on I am working to smooth things out and refine the edge like a normal hone job.
Warped blades,,, yes, I put on my tights and start doing gymnastics all the way through :<0)

Oh and to the OP , it sounds like you left a lot of blade thickness on the bevel in spots and left the 1k too soon with too much pressure at the end of it. Just the impression I get from your statements.

When dealing with a warped blade, many times I will simply hone along the edge of a stone, watch the pressure!

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

When dealing with a warped blade, many times I will simply hone along the edge of a stone, watch the pressure!

Yes this is what I do as well. There's no need to buy any extra stones - just use the narrow sides! Not for beginners probably though. I hone problem razors on the sides of my Shapton Pros all the time.

Whether the razor has a symmetrical frown or a concave warp makes no difference, a narrow stone (or the narrow sides of stones) will make better contact for a higher percentage of it's width than a wide one. I will edit my earlier post to fix that also. Lifting the toe means you will only be making point contact at the edge of the wide stone - not a good thing IMO.

Regardless, I don't care to argue about it. You can go on doing it however you like, as obviously it works for you - and I'll continue to do as I prefer, because it definitely works for me.

Originally Posted by eKretz

Yes this is what I do as well. There's no need to buy any extra stones - just use the narrow sides! Not for beginners probably though. I hone problem razors on the sides of my Shapton Pros all the time.

Whether the razor has a symmetrical frown or a concave warp makes no difference, a narrow stone (or the narrow sides of stones) will make better contact for a higher percentage of it's width than a wide one. I will edit my earlier post to fix that also. Lifting the toe means you will only be making point contact at the edge of the wide stone - not a good thing IMO.
Regardless, I don't care to argue about it. You can go on doing it however you like, as obviously it works for you - and I'll continue to do as I prefer, because it definitely works for me.

Lifting the toe means you will only be making point contact at the edge of the wide stone - not a good thing IMO.
You're making sweeping statements again.
Unless the razor is shaped like a banana or you lift the toe a lot, this is simply not the case.

A lot of guys have been doing this successfully a long time without needing narrow hones.

You only got an argument because you said using a wide stone doesn't work when what you meant was it doesn't work for you. It works perfectly for a lot of us because we've bothered to learn how.

I'm not making sweeping statements at all, merely stating fact. If the razor is warped (on the concave side) or has a frown, and the stone is flat, my point stands. This was the whole premise of any of my posts about using the narrow stone (or side of the stone). I did not say that the wide stone won't work, only that it won't work as well or make as good of contact as a narrower one, (or the narrow side of one) will. Again, if you guys wish to disagree that is fine. I am getting weary of this.

Once more into the breach -if only for those who don't know better. It is a simple matter of geometry. A concave surface (razor with concave warp or frown) will only hit on the ends when placed against a flat surface (hone), with a gap in the middle. The wider the flat surface, the bigger the gap (until the width equals the full width of the razor). If you lift the toe under these circumstances, you will make point contact on the edge of the stone. The concavity does not need to be anything like a banana. Any concavity at all will give this result. A narrower flat surface (hone or side of hone) will remove less material before making full contact. This is a good thing or we would all be honing on the corners of our stones, wouldn't we?