Thread: Coti vs Escher

Originally Posted by Phrank

Personally, I have no preference, I enjoy the edges from both, but agree, I would give the "edge" to the Escher.

On another note of interest, I was just rummaging around my razor stuff and had a look at my Swaty Barber hone....it's called, "The Swaty" and on the box and the instructions, it says it was made by Droescher??? Did they make barber hones as well? A Barber's Hone with an Escher edge???

Droescher was a distributor. They never 'made' anything AFAIK, just had products made with their brand, by other MFGs. The 'escher' in Droescher bears no relation to the JG Escher & Sohn company ...... AFAIK.

It is not the coti vs thuri batle . The real deal is a coti and after thuri - and the best edge is achieved .
Very few coticules are capable of giving edge , near thuringian . I have 2 of them already but every thuri gives a dream edge .

Originally Posted by RusenBG

It is not the coti vs thuri batle . The real deal is a coti and after thuri - and the best edge is achieved .
Very few coticules are capable of giving edge , near thuringian . I have 2 of them already but every thuri gives a dream edge .

You are lucky, Rusen - I must have gone through 50 - 100 vintage coticules that all gave a 'mushy' edge (I suspect others call this smooth) before I got one I really liked - a Les Latneuses hybrid, creamy yellow one side, veined grey/blue and yellow on the other and hard as glass. Cost an arm and a leg, though.

Luckily, I have the means to sell-on hones. I have a number of thuringians that are not labelled - all extremely good, and an Escher, which is on a par with most if not all of the unlabelled ones, perhaps a bit more refined but it is hard to tell.

Regards,
Neil

You are lucky, Rusen - I must have gone through 50 - 100 vintage coticules that all gave a 'mushy' edge (I suspect others call this smooth) before I got one I really liked - a Les Latneuses hybrid, creamy yellow one side, veined grey/blue and yellow on the other and hard as glass. Cost an arm and a leg, though.

Ha i very much like my 2 / of 10 / coticules , that are very hard and fine . They arent easy stones q they have plenty of caracter , every each of them.
I have indeed 3 good but the 3 rd is 10 x 2.5 sm and is not posible to achieve a good edge / or it is very hard /
I found a system that is dilucot to plain watter and after i put a lot of liquid soap on the coti and withowt presure finish and just at the end i turn and make only few strokes on the hard fine BBW .
Before the BBW the edje is more crisp and the Belgian blue calms it a bit . I dont know how , i know it works . More than 10 strokes on the BBW will degrade the edge .

Originally Posted by RusenBG

Ha i very much like my 2 / of 10 / coticules , that are very hard and fine . They arent easy stones q they have plenty of caracter , every each of them.
I have indeed 3 good but the 3 rd is 10 x 2.5 sm and is not posible to achieve a good edge / or it is very hard /
I found a system that is dilucot to plain watter and after i put a lot of liquid soap on the coti and withowt presure finish and just at the end i turn and make only few strokes on the hard fine BBW .
Before the BBW the edje is more crisp and the Belgian blue calms it a bit . I dont know how , i know it works . More than 10 strokes on the BBW will degrade the edge .

Bart, formerly of SRP. then Coticule.be then Artisan Shaving advocated this method, ie finishing with a few strokes on the BBW after the coticule side.

However, he seems to have advocated that the method gave the edge a bit more snap/bite/briskness as opposed to making it smoother.

Just goes to show that everyone's experience is different.

Regards,
Neil.

A simpler Dilucot for some stones is to have a deep bowl of water near, and dip the blade in it every 40 laps or so. Works for most of my Coticules. The mind that learns to use that stone is the most important factor and next is the hand that guides the razor on it.
~Richard

I tend to just try different methods as I go play with it and have fun till I get the result I want. It seems every stone and blade is a bit different and responds to different things. I usually start with unicot and add some dilucot if it isn't getting where i want, but always finish unicot. I also tend to add a lot of extra final strokes on water only with the tape to really smooth out the edge. Some stones seems to make it smoother some a little crisper. Again it can also depend on the razor and the steel that was used. I am mostly talking about the old sheffield wedges here. My hollows seem to be a bit easier and following the usual unicot or dilucot seems to work a few extra strokes here and there.

All of my razors seem to be good right now so once I get the thuri I will just try finishing some of the edges more and see if I can tell any difference from the coti alone.
Does anyone do this finishing on a Thuri after a coti, and how many strokes on the Thuri would be good?

Originally Posted by Geezer

A simpler Dilucot for some stones is to have a deep bowl of water near, and dip the blade in it every 40 laps or so. Works for most of my Coticules.

Rather than a deep bowl, I use a plastic mustard jar with water in it for dipping between each hone and for a similar Dilucot-type approach to slurry dilution. (It is the same size as a standard mayonaise jar if that helps anyone picture it.) The neck is wide enough to easily enter the jar and even with a mishap, you would only be hitting plastic.