Thread: Nakayama Maruka

A 30 K stone is worth looking at. Must be one of the rarest and I can see the homogeneity, size and color.

Originally Posted by sstomcat

Could you or anyone please explain the Nagura progression? Is this using the different types of NAguras or same naguras in different ways? Sorry to sound dumb.

FOund it, someone mentions this to be

I set the bevel on Botan, then I progress through (in order) Tenjou, Meniro, Koma, Tomo.

Really must have some time on hand to go through this whole thing, but then the thrill must be something to get going

Originally Posted by sstomcat

FOund it, someone mentions this to be

I set the bevel on Botan, then I progress through (in order) Tenjou, Meniro, Koma, Tomo.

Really must have some time on hand to go through this whole thing, but then the thrill must be something to get going

That's basically it, although I set the bevel on a 1k then go to the Naguras.
Figuring out the Naguras and the slurry thickness plus the blades metal qualities and their sizes all comes into play.
There are many different types of Nagura.
It can keep you testing and mucking about for the rest of your life I suppose.

On top of all that I still have my synthetics to play with.

Originally Posted by sstomcat

Could you or anyone please explain the Nagura progression? Is this using the different types of NAguras or same naguras in different ways? Sorry to sound dumb.
Where did u get the stand from, if it is OK to ask Jpb?

I approached a few craftsman in London who was up for the job ,but I found one guy, a professional woodturner who makes the most beautiful items and he was more than happy to make the stone holder for me.
I had to source the wood . Walnut grown just outside of London from a guy who makes gun stocks , he showed me how to treat and finish the holder.
Also I had to make a false bottom for the stone because it looked like it had been cut with a baseball bat .
here is a link to my old post http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...ml#post1409781

Originally Posted by sstomcat

Could you or anyone please explain the Nagura progression? Is this using the different types of NAguras or same naguras in different ways? Sorry to sound dumb.?

Check this out here:
http://www.easternsmooth.com/blog/ji...misori-updated

Mainly its about using different Naguras on the base stone. And finish either with a Tomonagura of the base stone or probably on plain water. However there are many ways of honing...

But yes it makes so much fun to go thru this and the 1350352451733 other possible combinations ;-)

You should shave test each one, but especially the mejiro and tenjyou, they can overlap in fineness. I have one tenjyou that's finer than any mejiro I have.

Also harder stones are usually recommended for use with Mikawa naguras since some of the naguras can be quite hard. In the case of the hard nagura/softer hone scenario, the nagura can raise quite a lot of the slurry from the hone. Not necessarily bad but something to keep in mind.

Cheers, Steve

Originally Posted by sstomcat

Could you or anyone please explain the Nagura progression? Is this using the different types of NAguras or same naguras in different ways?

Here's a thread by mainaman that has some good info. He demo's Nagura honing, but the thread also shows the nagura stones and shows their Kanji marks so you can identify each.

Having already been down your current road, I can tell you what would have helped me in the beginning with jnats and naguras. Don't get carried away, yet, with naguras. Learn to bevel set and take your razors to a shave ready condition on synthetic hones and shave with them for a reference.

Then use your jnat with a very light tomonagura slurry (a slurry created by the use of a high grit diamond plate or a very hard stone like a black Arkansas, etc. to make a slurry from your jnat). See how that changes the edge from what you were getting with your synthetic finisher. (Shave Test). Better (more comfortable) or worse? Also try your jnat with just water and make the comparisons.

Most of us use the jnat as a finishing stone and not a one stone process from bevel set to finish. I'm sure some do the whole honing with jnats and it can be a fun adventure, but basically most will have a shave ready edge before going to the jnat and refine the edge to taste on the jnat! Hope this helps!



http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...-tutorial.html

Howard

I just did some honing. Picture below.

My stone seems to prefer the harder metals. This T.I carbonsong c135 steel is my favourite. I understand it well when associated with my Nakayama.
I get the best results by using extremely weak slurries until I reach the Tomo, then I need a thicker slurry.
The tomo being a yellow slurry I can see it darken immediately , I guess that means my stone is fast.

I've now honed this razor every day for the last three days.
First try, I shaved with it and it was nice, baby smooth but not jaw dropping. Second time was a fail because I messed around with the stone combos.
Today, the third time , its magnificent .

It's my brothers blade, I like to impress

Originally Posted by SirStropalot

Here's a thread by mainaman that has some good info. He demo's Nagura honing, but the thread also shows the nagura stones and shows their Kanji marks so you can identify each.


Having already been down your current road, I can tell you what would have helped me in the beginning with jnats and naguras. Don't get carried away, yet, with naguras. Learn to bevel set and take your razors to a shave ready condition on synthetic hones and shave with them for a reference.


Then use your jnat with a very light tomonagura slurry (a slurry created by the use of a high grit diamond plate or a very hard stone like a black Arkansas, etc. to make a slurry from your jnat). See how that changes the edge from what you were getting with your synthetic finisher. (Shave Test). Better (more comfortable) or worse? Also try your jnat with just water and make the comparisons.


Most of us use the jnat as a finishing stone and not a one stone process from bevel set to finish. I'm sure some do the whole honing with jnats and it can be a fun adventure, but basically most will have a shave ready edge before going to the jnat and refine the edge to taste on the jnat! Hope this helps!





http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...-tutorial.html


Howard

Thank you for your thoughts!, Yes key is to take it slowly one at a time and I need to show restrain and in-ordinate amount of patience, which unfortunately I lack to a degree.
I have also heard Alex mention to use a Diamond plate to create a slurry, sure helps to create the slurry using the same ingredients of the stone given the fact that you are using a very fine grit finishing stone.

Originally Posted by JOB15

I just did some honing. Picture below.

My stone seems to prefer the harder metals. This T.I carbonsong c135 steel is my favourite. I understand it well when associated with my Nakayama.
I get the best results by using extremely weak slurries until I reach the Tomo, then I need a thicker slurry.
The tomo being a yellow slurry I can see it darken immediately , I guess that means my stone is fast.

I've now honed this razor every day for the last three days.
First try, I shaved with it and it was nice, baby smooth but not jaw dropping. Second time was a fail because I messed around with the stone combos.
Today, the third time , its magnificent .

It's my brothers blade, I like to impress

Thats quite a impressive set up. Cheers!