Thread: Hones/Procedure

Definitely! Do not buy a coticule unless you know for certain that it performs well for razors. Confirm it before hand! I have 1 that performs like a piece of curb outside on the sidewalk and another current stock select grade that performs worse than my worst jnat. Stay with synthetics until you really know what you are buying in a natural. I'm sure there are plenty of good coticules out there because of the reports I've seen coming in. And from those reports, they have been described as very old and used particularly for razors and then there are particular veins that are likely to produce good razor grade coticules. It's just buying blindly from fresh stock that you cannot do, it must be tested before hand to do exactly what you want it to do and be specific.

Welcome to the forum.

Post some photos of the razor, what brand is it?

What do you mean, I have a blade that isn’t shave ready but has a nice edge?

Has the razor ever been honed, shave ready?

You cant go wrong with the Norton or Naniwa line. Read the first 3 post in the Honing Forum, it may answer many of your questions.

Maybe you're right. It's just that I'm addicted to coticule. My first stone was one (Les Latneueses Hybrid) and I have remained to this day - a life without coticule is possible, but senseless. That's why I think everyone else must feel and experience exactly the same thing ...
With synthetic stones, I have never been able to make friends, and I therefore do not recommend them - no matter how useful and helpful they may be.

I agree that a good natural is hard to beat. Maybe even impossible. In fact my synthetics are used more for kitchen knives than razors these days. However, bad/hard to work with naturals do exist. My coticule is a good example of this.

I lapped it flat, then polished to 1K and tried diluticot. Terrible shave, little better than shaving off my Norton 4K. Repeated a few times, same result. Polished the stone to 8k, or as close as I could get. Not much better. Burnished with 2,000 laps from a razor that was in need of touch up. Eliminated slurry and used it as a finisher off my synthetic hones to be sure the razor had a good shaving edge before touching the coticule. Still the shaves with water were terrible, but moving closer to the right direction about a 6K edge I'd wager. Tried with pure mineral oil - edge was a dud, 6K at best. Cut mineral oil 50/50 with mineral spirit: Eureka! An edge that shaves (but still barely passable).

What finally pushed mine into a place where I would call it a good finishing stone was coating the stone with Chrome Oxide, then buffing it with a cotton wheel. Now it makes a beautiful shaving edge. But there will be no diluticots or slurry work with this stone because the surface cannot be disturbed, and water still does not provide an acceptable shave. It must be used with 50/50 mineral oil and spirits, with very light pressure - less than weight of blade. Could you imagine a new fellow with no experience trying to dial in such a difficult stone to work with? How many hours of failed diluticots, unicots, honing up to a certain point with synthetics only to have his 'finisher' degrade his edge? How long would it take to figure out the issue was with the stone, not his own hands without the experience and tools necessary to determine where the problem lies?

Synthetic hones may not create as nice a shave, but they also don't come with the chance of getting a stone with this issue. Once lapped smooth and polished to maybe 1000 or 2000, they were ready to work. The only problem left to resolve was the skill of the person looking me in the mirror every morning.

I love my Naturals. I would say my Welsh slates, now polished just as much as my coticule, create an edge that tops my coticule in every metric. Keener, sharper, more comfortable...they're hard to match, I can't imagine anything beating them. But I don't recommend them to beginners, because there's no guarantee the next person will get stones that match the performance of mine. And they came with their own learning curve, though admittedly much smaller than my coticule.

I can not argue against - only one: Maybe he can try it nevertheless with a coticule ..
Honing is not (only) rationality, but much will, feeling and passion.

Might I suggest reaching out to a mentor you can meet up with locally? This way you may be able to try a number of hones and actually get advanced coaching on your technique, pressure, tests, etc. I know my time spent with Glen was invaluable in getting me started on the right track with honing. Since that time, I put down the Norton 4/8 combo and went all-in with Naniwa Super Stones and have no regrets whatsoever. Even with Glen's tutelage, I found I was using too much pressure and also had to work on more advanced X-strokes depending on the blade I was honing at the time.

Good luck in your honing quest. I think you will find it a very satisfying addition to this sport.