I bought this Attachment 264494
and I need advice on how to hone with these stones 800,3000,6000,10000 grit but for a sharpening machine
but I've been told it's not possible , should I
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I bought this Attachment 264494
and I need advice on how to hone with these stones 800,3000,6000,10000 grit but for a sharpening machine
but I've been told it's not possible , should I
Those are relatively thin stones made for the Apex Pro sharpening system. I can see someone put this kit together to sell because of the, again, relatively high profit margin in doing so.
Unless your a seasoned honemeister, you'd have a hell of a time using those stones. And, we don't know if the seller has already ground down the bulging and obtrusive shoulder which inhibits sharpening on them anyway.
Can you return it?
But, if you must, I would be focusing all my energies on keeping the blade flat on the stone doing light x strokes. But, I don't recommend it.
No already shipped too much hassel bought it for 28 bucks but wanted to try straight razors
Darn! I'm sorry...
Well, you could return it on his dime if the shoulder of the Gold Dollar has not been modified. Then it would be a defective set.
Don't let this discourage you, we've all made purchases that in retrospect wish we hadn't.
There are plenty of fish in the sea!
:beer1:
Too bad you had not come to SRP first off. We would have prevented you from buying such a set in the first place. :shrug:
It would probably be possible with some practice, I like narrow hones but those are very narrow. You will have to be very aware of angles and pressure. Find a few junk razor and see what happens
Should have asked first, not after the fact. You didn't need to buy any of those stones to try shaving with a straight razor.
I'd have steered you toward Straight Razor Designs for a Dovo, which Lynn & co. would send to you ready to shave out of the gate, and a better strop. Or if you wanted to save some on the razor, a beginner's razor from the classified section here, or sight unseen razor from Whipped Dog would also be good as they would come shave ready. Whipped Dog also has OK strops that aren't too spendy.
But you've got what you've got so let's rifle down the list.
That Gold Dollar isn't going to be shave ready. In fact the grinds are notoriously poor and it may need reshaping. If you look at post 1 here:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...-question.html
You will see circled on that vintage blade the areas that will be in question on your razor. The shoulder (top circle) will need to be nibbled down a tick so it doesn't ride up on the hones, and you'll probably want to re-profile the heel, and make sure the edge follows the spine (make me smile thread). To re-shape the heel you'll want to take a coin, pennies work well, and draw a circle on the heel such that you nibble away enough of that stabilizer to make honing possible. This all needs to be addressed before honing or you may never get an edge on it (and is why we strongly recommend either a Dovo at least, or a restored vintage from the classifieds here).
http://straightrazorpalace.com/works...-me-smile.html
The strop will need inspection. If it isn't smooth untreated leather, you'll have to sand the fuzz off until it gets down to smooth untreated leather. I'd probably suggest getting it damp and sanding the fuzz off with 120 grit sand paper, then working your way up to 600 grit once you get at the good stuff. Having neatsfoot, mink, or ballistol oil on hand would also be good. Let it dry a few days, then give it a light coat of oil. Let that soak in a few more days and you (might) have a strop you can use.
I wouldn't trust that diamond paste on any of my razors. Good diamond spray runs about what that entire kit does, food for thought. I'd deposit it in the dust bin, or at the very least put it away until I was proficient with stropping. A lot of new guys wreck a few edges with plain linen and leather before they get the hang of it. Adding paste into the mix may exacerbate that issue.
The hones themselves will all need to be lapped flat, and shoulders rounded or beveled just a tiny bit. Don't over do it with the rounding/bevel since they're already thin hones. You can use sand paper on a piece of tile, glass, or a cookie sheet to get the hones flat.
Get magnification, a cheap 30x jeweler's loupe will do. You can also go with 60 to 100x, but really won't need more than that. Follow this thread:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...ggestions.html
You'll start at 800, go until the bevels meet. Then jump to the 3K. You'll probably spend a LOT of time at this stage making sure all the scratches from that 800 grit stone are gone. There's a reason we suggest 1K stones for bevel setting, and generally avoid cheap Chinese hones. It says 800 grit, but the binder is probably soft, hence cheap, and they tend to be coarser than advertised. The 3000 grit is most likely more of a 2000 grit hone for example.
And that brings us to our '6000' and '10000' grit stones. These look to be naturals. The green stone I know for certain is, and the white looks like the other color variant I've seen of the same 'jade green' honing stone. Any grit rating applied to them is questionable at best. Progress on them is going to be slow as molasses, and coming off of what will likely amount to a 2K stone very time consuming to erase the 2K stria. If I remember right, that green stone was tested and found to be excruciatingly slow, but also very fine when lapped and polished up properly. I'd say the surface should be buffed up to 1K or 2K grit sand paper at least to turn it into a solid finishing stone. They're also hard so you'll probably want to start with 80 or 120 grit paper and work up from there.
I'd probably just invest in a King 1/6 and keep the green stone for finishing. The other 3 I'd relegate to knife duty if I spared them from the round file.
That's the short list of where I would start if I had nothing else to work with but the kit in hand. Or save yourself a whole lot of work and headache and refer to the underlined bits.
I bought a de razor with a whet shaving kit had few Rands left and because I had little options in south africa I thought it was a steal but I should have done home work but with a good atitude I will try my best to get results and ill buy better stones but ill wait another month and a half for it to arive .If I switch to virtical strokes with the blade in line with the stone
like the razor is lying in the picture
You got yourself quite a challenge here. The strop should be OK. Dovo and other razor paraphernalia manufacturers sell identical ones with their names on them.
Gold Dollar razors get mixed reviews here. Apparently they are of hit and miss quality.
I cannot comment on the hones as I don't know them. If they are of good quality, and the given grit sizes reflect the true grit size you should be able to hone with them.
The big challenge with narrow hones is to keep the razor flat on the hone all the time. You may need to chamfer the edges.
There's plenty info on here on how to hone, I recommend you do X-patterns only.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/srpwi...uide_to_Honing
Good luck!
There are a few members here from SA, Thug is pretty active and might be worth contacting.
Thank you looking for straight razor online stores based in SA also
Pushing the blade vertically along the hone will result in scratches going up and down the edge. This will result in an uncomfortable edge, and that is the difference between honing a knife and a razor. Doesn't matter what's done to a knife's edge as long as it cuts. A razor has to cut, and do so comfortably without irritation.
You want all of the stria going from edge to spine, so on those hones I would still be using standard razor strokes. That is, X-strokes with edge leading, like Kees said. It can be done, it's just an uphill battle. Especially if this is your first time doing any of this.
Im thinking about making a broad surface with glass or something to help support the razor so that I can place the razor flat
One of my hones is made of glass. It may not feel like it, but it does have fine abrasive qualities. Something to keep in mind. You'd also have a devil of a time making a jig that allowed you to keep the surface of the glass even with the ever changing surface level of a hone. I think your best bet would be to use them as is and simply be mindful not to lift or lower the heel too much as you make your strokes. Often times when people are having trouble with a 3 inch wide hone they're advised to draw a 1 inch line down their hone and try to only use that section. Kind of teaches the user how to perform/perfect a rolling X stroke and shift pressure along the length of the edge as needed.
IMO the width of these is of less concern than their composition and quality.
And I can hold it more diagenal to get a few more mm out of them I only want to learn how to shave with the straight razor we have a bigger oil stone with the help of my father I will set the bevel on that stone and then refine it on these stones
I had some hones just like that for my first eBay razor. From a lansky knife sharpening set. I used them carefully to set the bevel and then used a Guangxi stone (one stone method) to finish it with a poor mans strop/balsa n pastes from whipped dog. I then bought a king 1K ($38) to set bevels but I still have that razor and it is still going strong years later. It can be done but be careful. With hones that narrow I don't think geometry will be as big of an issue. A bigger issue will be light pressure I would think.
Thank you appreciate the encouragement I think I can work with it but patience is going to be my biggest strugle.What stones should I actually be buying because I am in isolation I am going to learn how to hone razors for my self and friends or whom ever intrested
Attachment 264548
Are these fine
My suggestion is Norton, King, Naniwa, or Shapton hones. For Norton you'd want the combination 4k/8k stone and either their 1K or another 1K hone. Naniwa and Shapton I'd look at 1, 2, 5 and 12K. A lot of people do 1,3,8,12 with Naniwa. Same ending point, just a different journey. And King would be 1, 6, and 8k stones because I'm not sure they've got much between 1K and 6k. These are all good hones, and while pricey will last most users a lifetime (or close to) if cared for. It would be better to set yourself up for success with tried and tested good quality hones, imo.
Anything else is either a gamble, or proven to be not very good for our purposes honing razors. I've not seen anyone using the set in that photo, so there's a possibility they could do OK. But there's also the possibility that you'll get them and find out they're not so great.
Aidee not a big brand but its in my price range and its available in South africa these stones are scarce and expensive the range I have are on Aliexpress
Attachment 264570
I was thinking of buying one of these for refreshing
with this specs Attachment 264571
I would be very pleasantly surprised if a hone that sets you back less than 5 USD would be good enough to get a shaveable edge on a razor.
You may understand the Dutch saying: goedkoop is duurkoop, buy cheap buy twice.
With the set first mentioned in the male whats the seqeunce of grit I should ad first
Sequence is as mentioned before, the state of the bevel/cutting edge dictates what grit to start with.
Well, we know it's a Gold Dollar so it isn't going to be shaving sharp. 1K is going to be the starting point, unless you're willing to send it out to be honed first. If you do that, then you could purchase a good 8K, 10K, or 12K hone for refreshing and possibly be good indefinitely. Or work your way down grits as needed.
That little red and white (or green) hone has 2 small problems. First being that it's about half the length you'd want, the second being that the white/green natural material is literally the same material as the 2 white and green sticks you have on the way. I think the red may be the same as the 3K stick you've got inbound too. I've seen a few people insist on trying them out, but I've yet to hear any report back at all on them. I imagine if they got it to work they would've at least stopped by for an 'I told you so!' type post, so my guess is it didn't go their way.
Believe me, none of us liked paying $60 to $90 (or more) per hone, plus shipping. And we all love cheap rocks that work well. I'm not sure what the landscape is in Africa, but if they have what we call antique stores, and people sell old things at yard sales etc. maybe you can go through a few of them and see if they don't have an old coticule or similar hone up for sale on the cheap. A lot of folks here have had good luck getting some nice hones that way. Just need to research so you know what you're looking at and think outside the box a little bit. Most of the time we're on the look out for Coticules, Thuringians/Eschers, and Arkansas/Washita stones. Slates from the UK can also be good if you find the right one.
Just because a hone says it 6k,8k, 12k doesn't mean it will work on razors, grit rating is one part of it but also the binder has an effect not to mention the cheap not for razor hones may have 12k grit in there but no quality control to keep out the 5k grit, every body is trying nicely to tell you to get known razor hones, right now you have no clue how to hone a razor and your wanting to start with what is obviously sub par equipment. Buy a Norton 4/8 k and be den with it, from that stone you can (once you learn how to shave and strop) to hone,, it will do all that is needed for now, and if you can't shave from an 8k then your honing isn't good. But all your doing by buying this stuff is adding more cost cause you will need to buy twice. This place offers great advise, but if you don't head it your going to fight an uphill battle. I understand wanting to do it on the cheap, so stick with a DE razor and cheap blades. Tc
We have three antiqeu stores in ermelo but I'll have to verify they can charge a big fee for antiqeus in small towns.But I think I've lost round one ,next time I'll start with the hones but I will need to import for there arent that high grit online in South Africa.Maggard are a specialty and exports internationally .I picked up a thread on honing with sandpaper a gold dollar will be a good guinea pig
I will keep watching for sales maybe I will find something with charecter thats shave ready .Will follow the forums advice with a bit more patience
I need to shave with straight first before coughing up $400 for stones
Now Theres The Best Thing I,ve Seen You Post So Far,, Keep Reading You,ll Be Allright,,Ty
You need to shave with a "shave ready razor" and not one that is dull from the factory. Even then if you have not shaved with a straight razor before it could take months to become proficient with one. If your first experience is not a good one you will be off to a bad start.
Learning to hone a straight razor on your own is another matter altogether. I had to do that and it is another long and frustrating learning curve on top of learning to shave properly with a straight razor. You can basically forget what you may have learned from honing knives as straight razors are just different and in another category.
I am not trying to discourage you but there is really no cheap and easy way to learn this stuff on your own. It just takes time, patience and enough cash.
I think you are off on the wrong foot with your initial purchase, unfortunately.
Bob
Before 12k stones were readily available, many here learned to shave off the Norton 4/8k hone, and it costs about $100. Add a DMT325 diamond plate, and you are good to go. Your best bet would be to get a shave ready vintage razor to know what you are aiming for as well. There isn't really a quick, easy, and cheap way to go about this sport as you are discovering. Good luck, sir!
Quick qeustion what is coticule
A word that will cost you! Your going backwards again, stick with the easy stuff first,, get your shave ready vintage from the classifieds then see if you can learn to shave. If you stick with it then save your money for the Norton 4/8. Then learn but you were told you do have people in SA they can help you ,, they can keep your razor shave ready till its time for you to get a stone. You may not even like shaving it ha straight. Tc
Coticule is a Belgian natural hone with a rather steep learning curve. And a surprising amount of variance stone to stone. But they can be great razor stones. They're also pricey if bought new or from a vintage dealer that knows what they've got.
Have you considered lapping paper?
No let me check it out thanks