Thread: White washita?

I picked up a hone in the bottom of a box of tools, covered in oil. After a few days soaking in a solution of TSP it appears white. It was pretty flat on one side but still took a TON of work to lap it. It has one good usable side now and I'm guessing it's a white washita? It measures 7 3/4 x 1 7/8 x 15/16. Has a sort of "metallic" ring to it when you tap it.

I am sorely lacking in understanding of novaculite hones. For example, is a washita the same as a soft Arkansas? And how to identify these types of stones when there seems to be so many colors and patterns?

I know there are some guys here that use novaculites for razors. Would a stone like this one be for bevel setting? Used with oil?

As you can see - I have about as much understanding of novaculite stones as I do jnats.



Then after sitting for a little while more oil comes to the surface like this... Need to soak it a little more I guess.


Thanks for any help and insight!

I was just helping someone getting started with honing and we found that his Washita fit nicely between his King 1k and 6k. YMMV

Originally Posted by bluesman7

I was just helping someone getting started with honing and we found that his Washita fit nicely between his King 1k and 6k. YMMV

Thanks, and I have and use both of those so I will try it in between. These only get used with oil, correct?

I have used nothing but a Washita (both lily white and a dans Washita) to set countless bevels (well over a hundred) this past year. It is not only doable but very efficient if you keep one side "fresh" and let the other side burnish. I sold off my 1K stones (Norton and King) and all I use now is Washita stones.

I use a water soluble oil-ballistol but you have many options.

We were using the Washita with Smith's honing solution, which is water soluble.

Washitas are even slightly less dense than Soft Arks. This means that they cut a bit faster and can be slightly more friable. Most of the time you won't notice any friability (shedding of grit) anyway though unless you're honing something like a narrow chisel.

If you soak the stone several times over the old orangish oil will eventually stop seeping out. The black spots visible indicate that this stone wouldn't be a Lily White, but it could possibly be a #1 Washita, which is basically the same thing except not perfectly blemish-free.

I find they are very useful for tool sharpening and can be used for razors but I'd follow Steel's above advice: keep one side freshly lapped for bevel setting and if you want a little more intermediate finish, let it settle in without lapping.

Thanks eKretz, that's immensely helpful. Well, one side is nice and flat but the other side has some chips and dings that will take a lot of work to get out. Sounds like it will be worth it though.

Originally Posted by bluesman7

I was just helping someone getting started with honing and we found that his Washita fit nicely between his King 1k and 6k. YMMV

Thank you again. Almost all my razors are now honed.

I read somewhere that the Washita is a flexible stone. It was stated that depending on how you finish the stone. It can work as anything from below a 1k to over 3k. Tried to find the article or thread but have not been able to.

As Victor stated mine fit nicely in between my 1k and 6k. All I have done is lapped it.




Enjoy the day,
Benson

They differ from stone to stone, but I'd say that you could put a wider range on that. The stone that I use to set bevels is faster than a 1k synthetic stone, but it leaves a better groove geometry and can be followed up more easily with a strong natural. For example, I can set the bevel on a razor and either finish (albeit not necessarily ideally, but very capably) with a washita that has been intentionally allowed to settle in completely (and that has been kept absolutely free of surface contamination), or I can go to something like a soft but reasonably fine suita and work on slurry to clear and have a shave that is at least as good as an 8k synthetic stone, but with a much mellower edge (and I might say, keener than most coticules that I've tried).

I've had a couple of strop-top washita stones (the boxes being strop top) that were being used with razors. They were conditioned a little bit finer than an 8k synthetic, and were on the very fine side for washitas, but still would've set bevels easily if someone lapped them off fresh. (if that makes sense).

It's looking more and more like I should go ahead and lap the other (chipped) side so I will be able to keep one side burnished and one side fresh. That will take some work but it sounds like it will greatly increase the versatility of the stone. I like the prospect of a mellower edge and have relied almost entirely on coticules for that up to this point, but would like to give washitas and arkansas stones a go as well.