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Thread: Stamp not seen to often on a Nakayama Suita Kiita Hatanaka

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    Default Stamp not seen to often on a Nakayama Suita Kiita Hatanaka

    I found this Nakayama with two stamps, one I have seen but the other I had not. In researching I only found one example of this stamp. It was posted by Alex Gilmore in a thread he had showing examples of stamps that Hatanaka-san had used in the past.
    It was realy hard and my tomo's was not playing to nice with this new stone. Living in the Bay Area, I knew I had to pay Alex a visit for that perfect tomo for it. I called him and he said come on over. The next day I visited Alex I had a first hand look at Alex doing his thing. He is a wealth of knowledge and fine gentleman. He tested my stone right in front of me and in three sets of ten and a set of circle strokes was hitting hh3 and hh4's. He rated the stne at lv5++ bordering 5+++, very fine and very fast and very consistant. I was extremely happy on cloud nine ,so much so I forgot to ask him what the kanji said on the stone.
    He let me see some of his beautiful examlpes of Jnats and I was in awe as he has so many different fine examples in each catagory. It is like going to Jnat school and a museum all in one place.
    I would like to state that I can atest to his integerty as a good person,gentleman and honesty. While I was there looking at his vast asortment of Jnats I spoted a huge nice piece of tenjyo nagura. I have botan and mejiro so I asked what he thought of adding a nice big tenjyo to my progrestion. He looked at me kind of funny and said "dident you see what your stone just did. It took my razor from bevel set to finish very quickly.You dont need it." It was a couple hundred dollars that he could have easily sold me but did not because I did not need it. Wow, how many retailers would actually do that. Class act in my book! Now the pics! If anybody can tell me what the kanji says I would be very greatful.Name:  DSC00927.jpg
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    I forgot to add, look at the price 450 yen I wish I could buy it for that price!

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    Very nice. Yeah I have had a similar experience with Alex where he tried to talk me out of buying an expensive Jnat.
    Now the stamp, I alerted Fikira to it. He is the resident expert on stamps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex1921 View Post
    Very nice. Yeah I have had a similar experience with Alex where he tried to talk me out of buying an expensive Jnat.
    Now the stamp, I alerted Fikira to it. He is the resident expert on stamps.
    Hi!

    Thank you "alex1921" for letting me know!

    Well, seems to be a stone which is split, so that 2 can have the pleasure working with this stone

    IMHO this is a rare stamp to see, I believe it to be a stamp, used (& owned) by Mr. Hatanaka – Hatahoshi (and earlier Mr. Kato).
    2 symbols are a bit different then on the pictured stamps at:
    https://historyrazors.wordpress.com/...atural-stones/
    ("Stamps:" - "H" - "Hatanaka Hatahoshi")
    These pics have these stamps: Nakayama (中山)
    Your stone has the stamps: 石銘 (means "stone signature" or something like that)
    I think these stamp also are visible on the paper where this stamp is also seen.

    The other stamp is:

    純眞正本山 = Jun Makoto shōhonzan = Pure Authentic Honyama (Nakayama)

    Very nice stone!

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    Thank you Alex1921 and a big thank you to Fikira not only for your help on this but for your web site. I visit it when I need info on a particular issue and to learn as much as I can in general.
    I could not find much info on it so anything helps. I was getting to the same conclusion that it is not to common or maybe even rare.
    The best thing about it, it's what I have been searching for performance wise for some time. Very fast but very fine at the same time. Thanks for the help guys.
    I kept the stamps intact and decided to lap the back as Alex Gilmore thought it was wise to save them at least for a while.Name:  DSC00916.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toroblanco View Post
    Thank you Alex1921 and a big thank you to Fikira not only for your help on this but for your web site. I visit it when I need info on a particular issue and to learn as much as I can in general.
    I could not find much info on it so anything helps. I was getting to the same conclusion that it is not to common or maybe even rare.
    The best thing about it, it's what I have been searching for performance wise for some time. Very fast but very fine at the same time. Thanks for the help guys.
    I kept the stamps intact and decided to lap the back as Alex Gilmore thought it was wise to save them at least for a while.
    Your welcome! The most important thing is its performance of coarse
    Nice to keep those stamps!

    I've found just a little bit more information;
    Nakayama also produced Uchigumori and they have the 中山車口 stamps as well.
    I've learned that on Nakayama, mined stones were carried by wooden lorry car on wooden rails;
    the name 車口(砥) “kuruma-guchi (to)” – “kuruma-kuchi (to)” apparently would have something
    to do with it.

    https://historyrazors.wordpress.com/...8594;-awasedo/ (“T” → “天上巣板 内曇 = Tenjō Suita”)
    https://historyrazors.wordpress.com/...atural-stones/ (“H” → “Hatanaka Hatahoshi”)

    Not much info, but still...
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    Wow, Fikira I was on your site just refreshing my memory and then I caught a glimpse. So cool, I had a big smile on my face. I am glad it was worthy! Have a good day, you made mine! Tc!
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    Here are a coulple more pictures in daylightName:  DSC00937.jpg
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    Beautiful!
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