Thread: Old Rock Coticule

Originally Posted by Matt1222

Thank you for the information. How are you able to tell that this is one of the coticules labeled as an Old Rock and sold by SRD? I have an SRD coticule also and that had a clear SRD stamp on it. This stone has the old rock crest as a stamp on the stone. There wasn’t a mention of Droescher anywhere on the stone or the box.

Matt as mentioned it was a copy righted Trademark. The typo „Genuine Old Rock“ is the exact typo listed in the trademark catalogue. Iam quite sure this is no stolen Logo which was used. SRD was a also a wholeseller for stones and in this case my theory is that this one was produced especially for the seller

Iam still not completely thru those stones, they appear with different Signatures in Red in this case „Jaques...“ the one Henk showed in his Grinding and Honing Part 4 showed another red signature. As we know Old Rock was not only a company it was a layer too...

So it could be that those Coticules have been bought from Severin Robert Droescher (SRD) but he didnt appeared with his Name here. An idea is that the signatures could be the „sellers“ from Belgium which appeared with their names here. As said its a guess i have to evaluate the theory...probably the signatures are just phantasy names who knows. But in this case if there is a belgium company selling Coticules in the past with the Name Jaques... this could be a proof of this theory then
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Probably i directly got it cleared. There was a company selling belgium razor hones. The company was named Jaques & Co. this looks exactly like the signature. So as said they sold to SRD, SRD imported to US labelled the stones under their Trademark „Genuine Old Rock“ and added the belgium Origin adding the signature behind the instructions...for me a logical theory. Looking forward to research the history of the Jaques in Vielsam

https://books.google.de/books?id=sEJ...taBfwQ6AEIJDAA

https://books.google.de/books?id=65I...ticule&f=false

Thank you very much for this info! I always appreciate knowing more about the stones and razors that I have. I do know that both this and the stamped Droescher coticule that I have are excellent finishing stones and hones in general. I would definitely be interested in figuring out the exactl history of the Old Rock company and hones.

On another note, how does the “Old Peru” quarry fit into the equation? It’s my understanding that “Peru” in this instance may be a slang term or abbreviation for rock in French.

Originally Posted by Matt1222

Thank you very much for this info! I always appreciate knowing more about the stones and razors that I have. I do know that both this and the stamped Droescher coticule that I have are excellent finishing stones and hones in general. I would definitely be interested in figuring out the exactl history of the Old Rock company and hones.

On another note, how does the “Old Peru” quarry fit into the equation? It’s my understanding that “Peru” in this instance may be a slang term or abbreviation for rock in French.

Where is the old Peru Quarry written ?

Here is another one shown with the typo: S.R. Droescher in red
https://straightrazorpalace.com/hone...coticules.html

It’s not written anywhere associated with the Old Rock hones. I was just thinking that if the old rock stones were both a brand name and a vein that the quarry could be associated as well because of the name. I could be totally wrong though. Just a theory I came up with.

By the way the Salm Rock shown under the label you linked to is amazing! My next stone to hunt.

The Old Rock you show in the pictures was sold by E. Morris Company in Detroit, as written on the cardbox. E. Morris was to that time one of 5 companies in the US who trades coticules from the Old Rock Mine. 4 of them had been located in New York - one of them was SRD - and E. Morris in Detroit.
Owner of the Old Rock mine at this time was Gustave Jacques or his son, therefore the sign Jacques & Fils as written in red on the label. Gustave Jacqes took over the old rock mine in 1874 from the Lamberty family. After world war I the Offergeld family owns the quarry - with interuptions untill today. The Offergeld family also still owns all rights on the name "Old rock".

Regards Peter

Originally Posted by hatzicho

The Old Rock you show in the pictures was sold by E. Morris Company in Detroit, as written on the cardbox. E. Morris was to that time one of 5 companies in the US who trades coticules from the Old Rock Mine. 4 of them had been located in New York - one of them was SRD - and E. Morris in Detroit.
Owner of the Old Rock mine at this time was Gustave Jacques or his son, therefore the sign Jacques & Fils as written in red on the label. Gustave Jacqes took over the old rock mine in 1874 from the Lamberty family. After world war I the Offergeld family owns the quarry - with interuptions untill today. The Offergeld family also still owns all rights on the name "Old rock".

Regards Peter

Thanks Peter for more details, whats youre thought on SRD here?
As mentioned the Genuine Old Rock Trademark was registered from SRD and not from Morris, so either they used it by permission or they have been stocked from SRD.

Sebastian,

I think that SRD has taken over this label later and registered a trademark. I have never seen SRD boxed or labelled Old Rock coticules yet. All I have seen have this typical Morris boxes, I own two of them. But Jimmy once posted a label with a signature that is not Jacques and, if I read it correct, it might be Droescher, but not sure. Here is an old thread where Jimmy posted a picture:
https://straightrazorpalace.com/hone...w-equal-2.html

Regards Peter

Peter,

Thanks for the info. I always appreciate knowing about the history of my equipment. I love the hone and use it quite a bit. Very nice hone with great feedback and excellent results. I’ll be shaving with a Lunawerk razor with a Old Rock and Barbers Delight edge on it. I expect an awesome shave.

Now the only other coticule on my list to find is a Salm rock. If anyone has one they’d like to trade I’d love to talk about it! Haha.

Thanks again!