Thread: New Taidea Proyan glass series... Anyone did anyone else try these?

Originally Posted by therapy

Hi mrjin
My First 15K had the same problem. Other stones in the series had different problems. I contacted Taidea about it and they told me they had problems with temperature and moisture during the hardening process in the past. These problems were addressed and should be solved with the newer stones. They sent me a complete new set for free that I'm testing right now and so far everything is ok, the stones are great. You should contact Taidea about it, their customer service is very good. Kind regards, Peter.

I'll try contact Taidea directly then. Can you share their email address? It can save me from googling. Many thanks.

No worries, just found it. It's much easier than I thought.

Hi mrjin

Glad you found what you are looking for. I contacted Taidea at the following address:

sales@taidea.com

The person I contacted was Alex Gui.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by therapy

Hi mrjin

Glad you found what you are looking for. I contacted Taidea at the following address:

sales@taidea.com

The person I contacted was Alex Gui.

Good luck!

Thanks for sharing. That's exactly the email I sent to. So far no update from them yet.

Originally Posted by mrjin

Thanks for sharing. That's exactly the email I sent to. So far no update from them yet.

Hi mrjin
Just give it a couple of days, they will answer. I do have a request for you: The new hones Taidea sent me are still perfect and do not show the problems the earlier ones had. If you are in contact with Taidea, could you ask them were they suggest Western clients to buy these stones to make sure they get the newest ones instead of some old stock? Thanks!
Peter.

Originally Posted by therapy

Hi mrjin
Just give it a couple of days, they will answer. I do have a request for you: The new hones Taidea sent me are still perfect and do not show the problems the earlier ones had. If you are in contact with Taidea, could you ask them were they suggest Western clients to buy these stones to make sure they get the newest ones instead of some old stock? Thanks!
Peter.

Yep, sure, I will if they get back to me.

Hi all.
I got a 15k with hopes of improving nanowa ss 12 k...

My observations so far, the stone came with a raised patch of rough that took a while to lap out. So far it seems a fast cutting stone and with pressure makes more swafe than ss12 and ss 8. Lapping was done with old dmt extra course a few times. The feedback is a bit inconsistent so far, like some parts of the stone cut fast and the rest is not doing any work.
I brought a razor to 8 k level ( tree top with resistance) then on to the 15 k with little improvement. Then I tried bringing it to ss12 finish level of treetop with less resistance; and the 15k did not seem to improve the edge.

How much do you have to lap these sones?

How much pressure with the razor? What kind of feedback should I aim for?

What to lap with?

Matt

Hi mattnat

Very interesting question about the lapping... When I started using these hones not much lapping was needed, but the scratch pattern of the 15K was less refined than the pattern of the 10K. The shave off the 15K was better though. The scratch pattern got better and the shaves even more fantastic after I decided to do some extra lapping, so I guess in your case that is what you should do. The stone should feel nice and even after been properly lapped, I never noticed inconsistent feedback.

About improving on the nani 12K... The naniwa in the right hands is a fantastic finisher and I believe everything from there on becomes very subjective. Personally I much prefer the Proyan 15K finish, not because it feels sharper, but because it feels so much smoother, skin friendlier and more "natural" than any other synthetic I tried to this day. It even made me abandon my go-to small greenish-grey thuringian finisher I used for years...

About pressure and feedback... If your razor is "ready" for the finishing fase, you should not need pressure, just weight of the blade. With my 6/8 full hollow grounds, I get a kind of "sticky" feeling when the blades are there. The 15K is actually a very easy finisher to work with, as - although it is fast - it seems almost impossible to overhone on it. Just play with it for a while, I'm sure you'll find a way it works for you!

Kind regards,
Peter.

Originally Posted by mattnat

Hi all.
I got a 15k with hopes of improving nanowa ss 12 k...

My observations so far, the stone came with a raised patch of rough that took a while to lap out. So far it seems a fast cutting stone and with pressure makes more swafe than ss12 and ss 8. Lapping was done with old dmt extra course a few times. The feedback is a bit inconsistent so far, like some parts of the stone cut fast and the rest is not doing any work.
I brought a razor to 8 k level ( tree top with resistance) then on to the 15 k with little improvement. Then I tried bringing it to ss12 finish level of treetop with less resistance; and the 15k did not seem to improve the edge.

How much do you have to lap these sones?

How much pressure with the razor? What kind of feedback should I aim for?

What to lap with?

Matt

Mine came with the most of the surface uneven. Had to use a diamond plate to lap it to an acceptable condition. I should have removed ~0.5mm. I don't use much pressure by just pressed the center of the edge a little bit to make it fully contact the surface.

The only problem is that the stone crazed badly. Emailed them more or less a week ago, did not hear from them yet.

Thanks Peter for the detailed reply
I had another go with the 15k , went through quite a few cycles of pencil and lapping. With weight of razor strokes the stone seems to self slurry... I cleaned it with my hand and water after lapping and made Shure to finish lapping with lots of water and low pressure. Then within a few laps the water in front of the razor does from milky to creamy then the feel gets inconsistent again . Like a super stone that I lapped with a 1 k glass stone. Or a hair I can't seem to find.

I tried honing under running water because lapping seemed to work better that way and the feel was believable as finishing hone. Similar to super Stone 12 smooth. With leading edge strokes as lite as I could the scratch pattern on the bevel had an interesting hint of blue and looked better polished. I haven't stropped it yet and it is at a stage of tree topping middle resistance. Maybe it would be good after pasted fabric and leather?

When people talk about a finishing hone having different qualities than another are they assuming no pasted strops?
Matt